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Postby theFormula » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:12 am

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Postby Underground » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:47 pm

In b4 lock
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Postby theFormula » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:09 pm

I have both PT and Wizard and use them extensively to guage MY PLAY and I can't agree with you more. It is required reading.

In low stakes SNGs, $5, $10, $20, I guarantee everyone and their brother is playing tight to the bubble. What a great chance to steal those precious "no value" chips. I am never putting a large % of my stack at risk ... you don't need to. Live or online.

My motive for SNGs is to make the money and there are two ways to do it. Chip up while players are playing too tight for the structure of a SNG and have the luxury of weathering the bubble... Or force yourself to go into pushbot mode because your M is 4 with 250/500 blinds and 2000 chips with estimates on your opponents tendencies. It's either a lot of 4ths or a bunch of 2nds and a smattering of 1sts.

I prefer the former because chips are valuable at all phases of a game. I want the 7500 chips when my 3 opponents have 2000 in a 9 player game at 1500 starting. Push away.
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Why not consider it...

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Re: Why not consider it...

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Postby theFormula » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:15 am

First i will address escapePlans post:

I have played well over 1000 sngs online ranging from $2-20. Probably just as many live, but for higher buyings... 9-90 players. I am profitable. I need you guys to get off the fact that I don't know how to play. The chips are going in when I have the best of it at that time.

Just because I play differently, does not mean otherwise. I get knocked out of SNGs when an ICM devotee bigstack pushes with 23s preflop and I have bullets AND I have 2nd place equity in the tournament when two other stacks are on the verge of busting ... I am sorry -EV or +EV, I am calling. I may fold in a satellite with flat payout.

I rarely put my whole stack at risk if I don't have to, period, yet I can donk it off if I have misread my opponent. I don't know anyone who hasn't made that mistake.

I feel KQs is a favorite over any two suited and most broadway. Poker stove has them at 62/37 and 60/40, respectively. I must emphasize that I am not calling with it, but I will push this hand on the bubble against tight blinds. I might call in a 10:1 rule.
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As for Snyder, Underground, I was pretty sure you had not read his book. I felt that read was pretty solid. Yes, rochambeau is a tool he uses and it makes a lot of sense, and if you think ICM is a great model for making push or calling decisions near the bubble; remember, there is still 95% of the poker game left.. non bubble.

Chips = Rock, Scissors = Position, Paper = Cards. I read his book in January. I use this concept and have taken down more tournaments in 7 weeks tham I have in two years I have been playing online. I plan on using it in a Live tournament I am shooting for next month. My wife is pregnant and I don't get to live as much as I used to.

I am tending to play more 45-90 player SNGs than 9 player SNGs because I can accumulate chips. I have had to use ICM once since I read the book... and I took that tournament down.. otherwise I breeze thru bubbles. I don't win every game, but I am winning more games with larger prize pools.. and I am using rochambeau to make preflop decisions. Sounds crazy?

Look at that hndsoffmystak again.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:30 am

There's really nothing else to say here.
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