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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:14 pm

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Converter Tool from (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($12.85)
CO ($12.85)
Button ($24.65)
Hero ($36.45)
BB ($39.20)
UTG ($22.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Image, Image.
UTG raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($6.25) Image, Image, Image (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, UTG raises to $7, Hero sits in thinking chair.

Haven't played long enough on the table to get a read on UTG. I've been very active with raising limpers and late-position raising.

PF: Obv std.

Flop: My thought process: "Hurrah TPTK! Probably not going to make any money in this hand... wait... a min-raise here? Why?"

I'm only worried about a couple hands, which are way ahead of me, and am way ahead of all the others. The hands I'm most worried about given the action so far is if he was loose enough to raise 22/33 UTG (I mean, I do it cuz PPs are the nuts, but he may not). Otherwise, I lose to a fancy played AA/KK (KK even more unlikely obv), and tie AK. I beat out any bluffs or weaker pairs (I sometimes see players min-raise here with 99-QQ).

In the actual hand, I thought it was unlikely he was playing fancy with AA or KK or raised 22/33 UTG, so I called the raise. Shoving wouldn't accomplish anything here except folding out hands I am well ahead of, tying AK, and losing to hands that crush me. I've already decided I'm not folding, just waiting for him to put in his stack first.
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Postby chuckwhoolery » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:45 pm

<-----Not folding

<----praying a heart doesnt hit the turn/river

<-----reraising (but not shoving) the flop
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Postby shamdonk » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:57 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby chuckwhoolery » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:54 pm

donks at NL25 will call a shove w/ KQ/KJ in this spot...prolly TT+ too...and fd's miiiiiiiiight fold. either way Im never folding tp/tk here w/ 36$ behind. (22$ effectively)
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:04 pm

You really think TT would call after 3-bet pre-flop, K-high flop, bet-raise-all-in? I don't think so.

Well yea, I'm not folding. That's not the question. The question is maximizing my EV in the case that I'm ahead. On a board like this, I think shoving folds out too many hands we're ahead of, and will only be called when we're way behind, tied or against a worse king. There aren't too many worse kings that would be sticking in here. I'm not afraid of the flush draw here, so I'm not concerned with pricing it out.

In this hand villain had Ad2d. One of those hands that would have certainly folded to a flop shove. He shoved all-in on the turn and I called quickly.
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Postby Danhdan » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:12 am

"Million dollar play, ten cent finish."

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:07 pm

I posted this because there are a few different ways to play the hand, each with their own merits. I thought we could get a good discussion out of this, instead of one word "shove" or "don't fold". I mean look at the responses... only me and you don't say shove here. That should mean there could be some discussion taking place on what line is better here...
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Postby The Golden 1 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:27 pm

Why are you not concerned about the FD? Minraises on the flop are frequently FDs.
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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:43 pm

[5c] [7c]
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