Sorry for the lack of proper hand history.

Main villian in this hand is very loose passive, like 42/8/1. No other reads and I have no history with him.

I have $84 and villian covers.

I limp OTB after 3 limpers, flop of

UTG bets 2/3rds of pot, two folds, villian calls and I consider raising but elect to call. Blinds folds, it's 3 way. Turn is the and UTB bets 2/3rds of the pot again and villian INSTA shovels like $75 into $15. It's costing me all my stack to call with UTG still behind me. Hero???

Villain does not insta-shovel with the nuts or second nuts there. He has a baby flush he's trying to protect against a lone type hand pretty often. I'm a nit and I hate losing flush over flush, but with the third nuts this is a call IMO.

This hand @ Pacific = instacall + footpump

If you lost, it's a cooler

Ya, I doubt he shoves the nuts there.

I foresee a on the river..

JK... yes, call here. You'll be against worse hands often enough to make it profitable.

I think villain insta-shoves here most of the time with a hand he slowplayed on the flop and is now regretting he did.

I think I like a preflop raise OTB here to try and pick up the limp monies unless most everyone at the table is CSish.

Regarding the limp/raise debate, I think I could do either, both preflop and less so on the flop.

Recently (last week or so) I've started limping after 2 or 3 limpers with speculative hands in late position. Particularly on such a loose passive site like Pacific as you're allowed to. No-one squeezes or isolates here. However if this had been folded to me I'm raising. I used to raise these all the time but after some coaching and talks with Roy I've found it more profitable and educational to see a multiway flop.

Red you know better than most how to play the 50's and 100's at Pacific but my thinking is that I just do not get enough folds preflop when raising 2 or 3 limpers up with hands like or small pocket pairs. There is almost no fold equity post flop in these games, and hands like suited connectors and small pairs do better multiway post flop, so why would I want to get into a situation when I raise the nuts out of a small pair, end up HU, and continuation betting a loose limp caller when he will seldom fold any pair or bad draw?

Several ways to skin a cat obv.

Anyway, I folded the hand and thought about it for like a day afterwards thinking I prolly shoulda called, UTG folded too and mr shovey shovey took it down.

I raise this PF. Most of the times you take it down there. If not mostley there is one player left who will fold to our CB unless he hits the flop hard. Limpers do fold, at any site.
The best thing of this is that you are constantly are the agressor and after 3 hands they are gonna play back or call and then you have a big hand.

On the hand itself. I am not folding a flush here. Only a few players would be stupid enough to push the nuts here. It is two pair ,set or very small flush

I raise this PF. Most of the times you take it down there. If not mostley there is one player left who will fold to our CB unless he hits the flop hard. Limpers do fold, at any site.
The best thing of this is that you constantly are the agressor and after 3 hands they are gonna play back or call and then you have a big hand.

On the hand itself. I am not folding a flush here. Only a few players would be stupid enough to push the nuts here. It is two pair ,set or very small flush