Villan and I have been going at it quite a bit. He is running at like 30/17. I did see him check raise the river against another opponent when he flopped a flsuh in a blind battle the flop went check check, he lead the turn the bb called and he check raised the river which brought a 2nd jack and the BB called with AJ.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Courtesy of

MP ($404)
Hero ($1933.60)
Button ($436.10)
SB ($297.20)
BB ($1439.70)
UTG ($499)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) , , (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($78) (2 players)
BB bets $78, Hero calls $78.

River: ($234) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $175, BB raises to $576, Hero??


Also who raises the turn and if u do what are u doing if he 3 bets?

What's the question? Why isn't this a snap call given history with villain? Are you thinking of shoving? Folding? Seems like either would be burning money. What am I missing?

With the history and the stack depth I like the flat call on the turn.

I don't play these limits, but if it were me, I would call this. Villan appears to have been protecting against a 4th spade on the turn with that full pot lead. He could also have simply been applying pressure there, turning his hand into a complete bluff on this blank river.

Twelver look at High Stakes 2p2 section, very similar hand and some good advice. The board wasn't paired over there tho,


In the moment i make the crying call, i don't expect to be good very often.

I don't deal with opponents who lead flops often what does it mean to you??

I think he most certainly underestimates you hand and might be value towning with his small flush vs the QK he thinks you have.

My first reaction was to call because you're so deep that you'd have to fold if he shoved over your raise, while there are plenty of lower flush (and Kx) hands he can have that you beat; but I'm probably missing something (like a few trillion active brain cells).

Just for the record, I never ever considered raising, it is more or less a call or fold.

PF with his stats lead me to believe you can eliminate any real strong hands from his range on the flop. His range is now composed mostly of weaker hands.
A9s, A8-A2s, A9o, KQ, KJ, KT, K9, QJ, QT, Q9, JT, J8s, T9, T8, 89, 78, 86, 88-22. Then offsuit trash.

Flop: A9, A4, KQ, KJ, K9, KT, 44, J8s, 78s, 67s, 86s. AXs. The first few I assume he c/cs mostly and leads the others starting at 44.

Turn: With stack sizes he now needs to build a pot with any flush that got there and any set (44). A9/A4 are not leading here, so his updated range should/could be KQ, KJ, KT, K9, 44, J8s, 78s, 67s, 86s, Axs.

River: 44, K9, KQ, 78s, J8s, 67s, 86s, AXs.

River: You are checking down this part of YOUR range as how this hand played out.
Q9, J9, T9, As4, QQ, JJ, TT A9. Again probably thinly value betting the later listings.
Your hand can be as strong as Qxs ldo, and KQ. Since these are the very top of you range , folding them is very very very exploitable. There has to be a point where you draw the line game theory wise, where you will fold X part of your range and Y you are calling. Since this is the very top of your range, call.

O.K. enough responses, I called just because I think worse flushes are definitely part of his range. He had 99