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Possibly value bet river thin in these two hands? (200NL 6m)

Postby LuparFiend » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:00 pm

Villain is a donk. A fish. A drooler, etc... I can't remember his stats off hand though (I think they might have been in the 50/10 range or something like that)

Would you ever raise that river lead? Do you think a donk would ever call with worse (Like KQ, KJ, AQ, etc...)?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($200.00)
UTG+1 ($414.70)
Hero ($317.25)
BTN ($344.85)
SB ($200.00)
BB ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO [Kh][Ad]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $7

Flop: [Ks][Qd][8d] ($21, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $15, UTG+1 calls $15

Turn: [As] ($51, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $35, UTG+1 calls $35

River: [8s] ($121, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $76, Hero ????

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Villain is gauchoBluffs. He is a regular, but his stats are a little bit different that most regulars in tha the runs like 24/16 or so (Calls more PF. Most regular have tighter VPIP & PFR numbers). I haven't seen him in a while, so maybe he was at higher/lower stakes or on a break (I don't know if that is relavent though, heh)

First Question: Would you c-bet this flop out of position? I hit Top Pair on the turn and fire a 2nd barrel and he calls. This ok?

Now on to the river: Do I fire again? Check/call? Check/fold?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($197.75)
Hero ($437.75)
CO ($245.45)
BTN ($213.75)
SB ($416.60)
BB ($240.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 [Jh][Th]
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: [4c][7s][6h] ($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13

Turn: [Jc] ($43, 2 players)
Hero bets $28, BTN calls $28

River: [6d] ($99, 2 players)
Hero ??????????

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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:02 pm

Hand #1 I shove and am pretty happy about it, hand #2 I would not CB the flop.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:11 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:22 pm

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Postby Triple B » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:01 pm

I like a call in hand 1. I like Pok 7s thoughts on why.

As for hand 2, I think there is value on the river. Definitely bet/fold this river. He will call with 88-TT, 78, etc. On the flop though, this CB is a tad over optimistic. Still, since he calls pre more than most I would think he has more QT, KJ type stuff in his range so if he's not a floataholic then the CB isn't necessarily bad, but certainly there are better boards for it.
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Postby LuparFiend » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:52 pm

Thanks everyone for the replys.

Hand 1: I called, and he showed [Jd] [4d] :shock:

Hand 2: I checked, intending to call a 1/2 - 3/4 size bet because I put him on 75, 65, 55, or 54 and I beat 3 of those. I had a hard time putting him on a set because I think a set raises that flop. He checked behind with [9h] [7h]
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:12 pm

#2) Most people dont bet those hands you listed. They are happy to get to showdown. You need to start bet / folding more often on the river. It took me a long time to figure that out but its made a huge difference. I think he wouldve called $40ish most every time.

He could also have 88 / 99
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Postby DoctorHandles » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:24 pm

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