Haven't used the hand converter before so I apologize in advance if it doesn't come out right. The outcome was pure gold, but what about the turn raise? Too aggressive?

Party Poker (9 handed)

Preflop: is with , , , .

Final Pot:


Drade

Man, that is a sweet ass hand. Stupid hand converter. Anyway, here's the hand history, which isn't nearly as nice.

***** Hand History for Game 2385536781 *****
2/4 Omaha Hi/Lo Game Table (Limit) - Mon Jul 18 18:24:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 13898 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: kdconn ( $142.87)
Seat 2: Til_the_end ( $304.24)
Seat 3: VVWVWVV ( $107.35)
Seat 4: JandD98 ( $100)
Seat 5: Drade ( $91.50)
Seat 6: RockCity ( $47)
Seat 7: Lucky_Gal_45 ( $26)
Seat 8: twochipmike ( $55.60)
Seat 9: PhyStrKid ( $100)
Seat 10: george_33 ( $37.25)
RockCity posts small blind (1)
Lucky_Gal_45 posts big blind (2)
twochipmike posts big blind (2)
JandD98 posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Drade [ Kc, Th, Jc, 9h ]
twochipmike checks.
george_33 calls (2)
kdconn calls (2)
Til_the_end raises (4) to 4
VVWVWVV folds.
JandD98 folds.
Drade calls (4)
RockCity folds.
Lucky_Gal_45 calls (2)
twochipmike calls (2)
george_33 calls (2)
kdconn calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, Tc, Kd ]
Lucky_Gal_45 checks.
twochipmike checks.
george_33 checks.
kdconn bets (2)
Til_the_end calls (2)
Drade raises (4) to 4
Lucky_Gal_45 calls (4)
twochipmike folds.
george_33 calls (4)
kdconn calls (2)
Til_the_end calls (2)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
Lucky_Gal_45 bets (4)
george_33 calls (4)
kdconn calls (4)
Til_the_end calls (4)
Drade raises (8) to 8
Lucky_Gal_45 calls (4)
george_33 calls (4)
kdconn calls (4)
Til_the_end calls (4)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qc ]
Lucky_Gal_45 checks.
george_33 checks.
kdconn checks.
Til_the_end checks.
Drade bets (4)
Lucky_Gal_45 calls (4)
george_33 folds.
kdconn calls (4)
Til_the_end folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $96 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 7s Tc Kd Ac Qc ]
kdconn balance $122.87, lost $20 [ Js 4s 6c Ks ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ac,Ks,Qc,Js,Tc ]
Til_the_end balance $288.24, lost $16 (folded)
VVWVWVV balance $107.35, didn't bet (folded)
JandD98 balance $98, lost $2 (folded)
Drade balance $167.50, bet $20, collected $96, net +$76 [ Kc Th Jc 9h ] [ Royal Flush -- Ac,Kc,Qc,Jc,Tc ]
RockCity balance $46, lost $1 (folded)
Lucky_Gal_45 balance $6, lost $20 [ Qd Jd 9d 7d ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ac,Kd,Qd,Jd,Tc ]
twochipmike balance $51.60, lost $4 (folded)
PhyStrKid balance $100, sits out
george_33 balance $21.25, lost $16 (folded)

suh-weet... please pass some of that mojo this way!!!

Very nice.... like the way you played it too, good turn raise, though it's more marginal than it would perhaps look, definitely +EV unless the first player raises and everyone else folds.

Drade,

Nice hand, usually I'm the one getting shown the Royals rather than the one making them. Also, I'm in town until friday, send me an e-mail if you are playing any relatively cheap poker in the next couple days. It's scott AT fit.edu


Later,

Justin

I'm with you Monk in that the more I look at the hand the more I question the turn raise. Yes, it worked out great this time, but overall I think it's close. When I'm playing my best O/8 game, these value bets/raises when there are a lot of relatively weak one-way chasers are big money makers, but I'm not so sure this is one of those times. The problem is that the turn card looks much better for me than it actually is. Yes it gives me the nut flush draw, but it completes the QJ straight that I'm positive is out, and it also puts a backdoor low draw out.

Assuming that my full house outs are clean, I only have 8 scoop outs, the 3 Kings, 3 10's, and the and . Factor in the low clubs and the other Queens and I've got about 17 outs to some part of the pot. 17 out of the 44 unseen cards is about 39%. So basically, 20% of the time I improve and win the whole pot, 20% I improve and win half the pot, and 60% of the time I don't improve and lose the whole thing. I think I'm right this far. So, with 5 of us in on the turn, assuming everyone just calls my raise, 20% of the time I win everything, which is a +$40 win for me (5 players * $8 per person), 20% of the time I win half for +$20 for me, and 60% of the time I lose everything, -$24 for me, for a total of +$36 if they all call. If the lead bettor three bets, a few will fold, though probably not all, and my rate will be affected, though probably not to a point to make it -EV. If my math is right, it seems like my turn bet is very much a positive play, much more than I thought... Comments?

Drade