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Hand 3 from Bally's: I am a total retard

Postby Gishaclaus » Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:03 pm

This beauty's from a little earlier in my session; I'm packing about $800 in chips, and have all but one player covered. Villian #1 is a fat guy with a lot of jewelry and gold teeth; he seems to be relatively decent though, if a bit annoying. He comes into this hand at around $200 in chips, and is on the button. Villian #2 is a balding dude down from NYC who seems pretty ABC. He has around $700 after flopping sets on consecutive hands early in his session. He's in EP. I'm in the SB and get dealt [Kc] [Ks] . V#2 limps under the gun and some kid raises to $10 in MP. He's been tossing in $10 raises like candy, so it just means he got dealt some cards. Player to his left immediately reraises to $30. He hasn't done anything remarkable yet, but has played pretty tight as far as I can tell. Vi#1 smoothcalls on the button, and (Mistake #1) I decide to get tricky and just call. V#1 smoothcalls, first raiser folds. Four to a flop of:

($130) [Qc] [Ts] [4h]

(Mistake #2) I decide to get even trickier and check. V#1 bets out for $80, and V#2 smoothcalls. Now what? Feel free to reserve me a spot in the romper room . . .

Thanks in advance,

Eric
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Postby Bob314 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:17 pm

Being up against 10-10 or 4-4 from the EP guy is a possibility. Would he limp with something like A-Q? The smooth caller on the button who smooth calls the flop is certainly scary. Q-Q maybe? It seems like there is a good chance that you are up against a set although the $10 raiser might have something like top pair. You certainly can't keep calling like this though, so it might be time for a really strong raise. Maybe make it $240 to go? $320? I think calling is a terrible play, but you are going to have to make a pretty big raise to find out where you are at is the trouble.
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Yes you should

Postby Danhdan » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:21 am

You you should get caned for being cute and smooth calling...ok, caned is kinda tought, so maybe cropped. BTW, somewhere along the line, you have villian #2 named villian #1. This is probably supposed to hurt my read of the situation somehow, but yeah, like villian #2 would say, "fagedaboutit!"

I think that smoothcalling preflop was horrible, not just the usual horrible, but a tirading Bill Walton "HORRRRRRRRIBLE!" I think I raise preflop to $90, to a) see where button villian is, see if I can lesson the group by eliminating UTG villian, and to see if raise to $30 was for real or just raising to isolate the idiot $10 raise kid.

On the flop, I am not too unhappy with it, and I try to see where I am, probably make a bet of $120 to see if anyone hit the flop hard.

Now, after checking the flop, and seeing once person bet $80 and the button call, I am suspicious of a good hand...possible set. I will have to play this cautious because the pot size is getting pretty big. But, more than that, I really need to know where I am at...if I should escape now with my chips or take it down now. I would raise here after the flop and after the two calls...but Bob has a point. Any raise here will have to be in the $250 or above range which is a bunch of your chips...and are you willing to play for the rest? I don't like the position you put yourself into...letting the pot get built up and not figuring out what kind of strength your opponents have...

I like this story so far...it sucks just to think about an answer...sometimes second hand experience is better than the real thing...like drugs, driving drunk, jumping off of moving vehicles, getting a mortgage...

My answer is: don't call. I can't completely support raising here and I can't hardly support folding in this situation...so, in conclusion...yuck.
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