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PLO25 - Extracting Value Part 1

Postby briachek » Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:04 pm

Please tell me how you could think I could extract more money out of these hands.

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 2563140879 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 19:34:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 37176 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jkp203 ( $24.30)
Seat 2: Damage_lnc ( $23.65)
Seat 4: phuct333 ( $4.75)
Seat 5: mqm1984 ( $24.40)
Seat 6: WindsOfWar20 ( $25.10)
Seat 7: keylogic ( $24.75)
Seat 8: briachek1 ( $25)
Seat 9: DoHauThatBai ( $27.09)
Seat 10: dollarbob59 ( $44.70)
dollarbob59 posts small blind (0.10)
jkp203 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Kc, 7d, Ks, Jd ]
Damage_lnc calls (0.25)
phuct333 folds.
mqm1984 folds.
WindsOfWar20 folds.
keylogic folds.
briachek1 calls (0.25)
DoHauThatBai calls (0.25)
dollarbob59 calls (0.15)
jkp203 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 2c, Th ]
dollarbob59 checks.
jkp203 checks.
Damage_lnc checks.
briachek1 bets (1.25)
DoHauThatBai folds.
dollarbob59 calls (1.25)
jkp203 folds.
Damage_lnc folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
dollarbob59 checks.
briachek1 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ]
dollarbob59 checks.
briachek1 bets (3.60)
dollarbob59 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $7.20 | Rake: $0.15
Board: [ Kd 2c Th Kh 9h ]
briachek1 balance $27.10, bet $5.10, collected $7.20, net +$2.10

I checked the turn to hope he either would bluff at it on the river and/or catch something. Checking the turn typical here?

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 2563004245 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 19:08:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 36658 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: briachek1 ( $26.05)
Seat 2: PilaX ( $30.57)
Seat 3: winningtwo ( $16.07)
Seat 5: Verner91 ( $10.44)
Seat 6: ninja714 ( $26.56)
Seat 7: guilherp ( $17.65)
Seat 8: Fultomten ( $26.10)
Seat 9: mo_murder ( $8.53)
Seat 10: WhoHasMyLytr ( $9.15)
WhoHasMyLytr posts small blind (0.10)
briachek1 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ 7c, 4d, 6s, Ts ]
Fultomten: lol
Fultomten: i had j2
Fultomten: strange
PilaX calls (0.25)
Verner91 folds.
ninja714 folds.
guilherp calls (0.25)
Fultomten calls (0.25)
mo_murder folds.
WhoHasMyLytr folds.
briachek1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 4s, 4h ]
briachek1 checks.
PilaX checks.
guilherp checks.
Fultomten checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5c ]
briachek1 bets (1.10)
PilaX calls (1.10)
guilherp calls (1.10)
Fultomten folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 6d ]
briachek1 checks.
PilaX checks.
guilherp checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $4.20 | Rake: $0.20
Board: [ Kh 4s 4h 5c 6d ]
briachek1 balance $28.90, bet $1.35, collected $4.20, net +$2.85 [ 7c 4d 6s Ts ] [ a full house, Fours full of sixes -- 6s,6d,4d,4s,4h ]
PilaX balance $29.22, lost $1.35 [ Jc Ks 5s 9s ] [ two pairs, kings and fives -- Ks,Kh,6d,5s,5c ]
guilherp balance $16.30, lost $1.35 [ 9d Ac 4c 7d ] [ three of a kind, fours -- Ac,Kh,4c,4s,4h ]

I really only fear a slow played KK as K4 would have probably popped it already and 55 and 66 seems very unlkely. I checked to induce a bet but do you raise when it comes back to you? Do you just lead out?

Hand 3

***** Hand History for Game 2562821908 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 18:32:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 36827 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: saltamore ( $26.46)
Seat 2: imrazaramone ( $24.50)
Seat 3: aston11 ( $49.75)
Seat 4: pokerghost ( $22.90)
Seat 5: miwodo ( $17.45)
Seat 6: briachek1 ( $25.75)
Seat 7: bhardin ( $25)
Seat 8: scooter_9 ( $4.65)
Seat 9: qwertypoi ( $79.55)
Seat 10: rominita ( $15)
imrazaramone posts small blind (0.10)
aston11 posts big blind (0.25)
bhardin posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Js, Kd, Kc, 9c ]
pokerghost folds.
miwodo folds.
briachek1 calls (0.25)
bhardin checks.
scooter_9 folds.
imrazaramone calls (0.15)
aston11 raises (1) to 1.25
briachek1 calls (1)
bhardin calls (1)
imrazaramone folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, Ks, 2c ]
aston11 bets (3.80)
briachek1 calls (3.80)
bhardin calls (3.80)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ]
aston11 checks.
briachek1 bets (14.65)
bhardin folds.
aston11 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $29.30 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 6d Ks 2c Jc ]

I know I said I don't slowplay but if there was ever a time for top set, it was this flop. Comments?

Hand 4

***** Hand History for Game 2562608290 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 17:51:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 36761 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cfromphilly ( $21.90)
Seat 2: piggeeeeh ( $53.55)
Seat 3: PilaX ( $38.85)
Seat 4: saltamore ( $34)
Seat 5: briachek1 ( $27.75)
Seat 6: ninja714 ( $30)
Seat 7: Mulqvist ( $41.70)
Seat 8: krazyjim ( $23.90)
Seat 9: qwertypoi ( $32.04)
Seat 10: mistergrinch ( $11.58)
mistergrinch posts small blind (0.10)
cfromphilly posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Qd, Js, 9s, 9c ]
piggeeeeh folds.
PilaX calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
ninja714 folds.
Mulqvist raises (0.50) to 0.50
krazyjim folds.
qwertypoi calls (0.50)
mistergrinch: did you have quad 6's?
mistergrinch folds.
cfromphilly calls (0.25)
PilaX raises (0.50) to 0.75
briachek1 calls (0.50)
Mulqvist calls (0.25)
qwertypoi calls (0.25)
cfromphilly calls (0.25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, 8h, 7s ]
cfromphilly checks.
PilaX bets (1)
briachek1 raises (6.70) to 6.70
Mulqvist folds.
qwertypoi folds.
cfromphilly calls (6.70)
PilaX calls (5.70)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
cfromphilly checks.
PilaX checks.
briachek1 bets (20.30)
briachek1 is all-In.
cfromphilly calls (14.45)
cfromphilly is all-In.
PilaX calls (20.30)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
Creating Main Pot with $64.30 with cfromphilly
Creating Side Pot 1 with $11.70 with briachek1
** Summary **
Main Pot: $64.30 | Side Pot 1: $11.70 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ Tc 8h 7s Ah Ad ]
cfromphilly balance $64.30, bet $21.90, collected $64.30, net +$42.40 [ 8d 3c 3d 8c ] [ a full house, Eights full of aces -- Ah,Ad,8d,8c,8h ]
PilaX balance $11.10, lost $27.75 [ Ks Kc Kh As ] [ three of a kind, aces -- As,Ah,Ad,Ks,Tc ]
briachek1 balance $11.70, bet $27.75, collected $11.70, lost -$16.05 [ Qd Js 9s 9c ] [ a straight, seven to jack -- Js,Tc,9s,8h,7s ]

Well, I was worried about getting money into the pot but I just pushed it afraid I was just gonna win it right there. I can't believe what called me down. When the river hit, I thought I lost it all but at least I got the side pot.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:30 pm

Hand 1:
Your options are really a small bet on the turn and/or a small bet on the river. After he didn't take the bait on the turn I'd maybe try about a $1 river bet. Betting pot is OK too. You have to put yourself in his place, imagine what he might have, and tailor your bet accordingly. Here he's either got nothing or a backdoor flush, so you're not getting paid unless he has the latter - will he call a full pot bet with it? The only other variable is how much (if any) he'll be wqilling to call with a real garbage hand - some people will call a small bet here (50c, $1 or whatever) just to keep you honest or out of pure curiosity as to your hand. This is why I normally bet a bit smaller when it seems almost impossible for them to have a decent hand. Others would disagree and plump for a full bet. I suspect in reality the difference in EV between either move is negligible.

Hand 2:
Flop check sucks. Don't give free cards to overpairs; if each player had a pair in hand, you gave 6 outs a free card, almost tantamount to giving free cards to a flush draw when you hold a set. I wouldn't check the river to induce a bet unless they're the type to bluff; you're probably up against either overpairs or busted draws, again I'd just lead out normally for maybe 1/4 to 1/2 pot and hope to get a call somewhere.

Hand 3:
Yep, this is OK I think. Against decent opponents I'd even like to throw in a deceptive min raise here; make them think you're on a low wrap, let them raise their underset or two pair, then raise or check-raise all in on the flop. A similar strategy might work at 25PLO but it's by no means routine. I think your play was OK, I think you can't risk another freeby on the turn.

Hand 4:
Seems routine really. Well played.
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