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PLO25 - Part 1

Postby briachek » Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:20 am

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 2563184511 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 19:43:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 37092 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Huzhen ( $19.75)
Seat 2: T_TnB ( $25)
Seat 3: ACEDUEC ( $7.90)
Seat 4: bigboyz88 ( $17.65)
Seat 5: rottrj ( $28.50)
Seat 6: Requiem1010 ( $29.80)
Seat 7: guinnie ( $13.60)
Seat 8: vargo11 ( $13.15)
Seat 9: yuengling28 ( $21.47)
Seat 10: briachek1 ( $24.25)
bigboyz88 posts small blind (0.10)
rottrj posts big blind (0.25)
T_TnB posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Qc, 7c, 7h, Qs ]
Requiem1010 folds.
guinnie folds.
vargo11 folds.
yuengling28 calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
Huzhen calls (0.25)
T_TnB checks.
ACEDUEC calls (0.25)
bigboyz88 calls (0.15)
rottrj checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, 3d, Qd ]
bigboyz88 checks.
rottrj checks.
yuengling28 checks.
briachek1 checks.
Huzhen bets (0.25)
T_TnB folds.
ACEDUEC calls (0.25)
bigboyz88 folds.
rottrj folds.
yuengling28 calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
yuengling28 checks.
briachek1 checks.
Huzhen bets (0.25)
ACEDUEC calls (0.25)
yuengling28 folds.
briachek1 calls (0.25)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
briachek1 checks.
Huzhen bets (0.25)
ACEDUEC calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $4.05 | Rake: $0.20
Board: [ 7d 3d Qd Kd 8h ]
Huzhen balance $18.75, lost $1 [ 3c Ac 2h 7s ] [ two pairs, sevens and threes -- Kd,7s,7d,3c,3d ]
ACEDUEC balance $10.95, bet $1, collected $4.05, net +$3.05 [ 2d 8c Ts Td ] [ a flush, king high -- Kd,Qd,Td,7d,2d ]
briachek1 balance $23.25, lost $1 [ Qc 7c 7h Qs ] [ three of a kind, queens -- Kd,Qc,Qs,Qd,8h ]

I couldn't bring myself to raise or fold this hand for such a price. Why do I have to get 2 sets?

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 2563072201 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 19:21:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 36548 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ttcook ( $48.60)
Seat 2: mitzp ( $36.05)
Seat 4: snowbyrd10 ( $15.98)
Seat 5: briachek1 ( $24.65)
Seat 6: ernepoppe ( $24.95)
Seat 7: BlunderLAF7 ( $40.75)
Seat 8: capn_flop ( $19.61)
Seat 9: wtz111 ( $8.50)
Seat 10: Berntz ( $21)
ernepoppe posts small blind (0.10)
BlunderLAF7 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ 6c, Kc, Kh, 8c ]
capn_flop folds.
wtz111 calls (0.25)
Berntz folds.
ttcook calls (0.25)
mitzp calls (0.25)
snowbyrd10 calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
ernepoppe calls (0.15)
BlunderLAF7 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 2d, 5c ]
ernepoppe checks.
BlunderLAF7 checks.
wtz111 bets (0.75)
ttcook calls (0.75)
mitzp folds.
snowbyrd10 calls (0.75)
briachek1 calls (0.75)
ernepoppe calls (0.75)
BlunderLAF7 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
ernepoppe checks.
wtz111 bets (2)
ttcook calls (2)
snowbyrd10 folds.
briachek1 raises (6) to 6
ernepoppe folds.
wtz111 folds.
ttcook calls (4)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]
ttcook checks.
briachek1 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $18.55 | Rake: $0.95
Board: [ Qc 2d 5c 7c Qd ]
ttcook balance $60.15, bet $7, collected $18.55, net +$11.55 [ Jd Th Jc Ac ] [ a flush, ace high with ace kicker -- Ac,Qc,Jc,7c,5c ]
briachek1 balance $17.65, lost $7 [ 6c Kc Kh 8c ] [ a flush, king high -- Kc,Qc,8c,7c,5c ]

I suspected I would be up against the nut flush draw with all those calls but with those odds, i chased. I didn't want to max raise the turn but I wanted to find out some information. So I knew he either had a set or the flush. I wasn't betting that river unless the Ac hit. Could I get away?

Hand 3

***** Hand History for Game 2563033636 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 19:14:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 36658 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: briachek1 ( $28.80)
Seat 2: PilaX ( $27.47)
Seat 4: GolfWidow1 ( $15)
Seat 6: ninja714 ( $26.21)
Seat 7: guilherp ( $15.80)
Seat 8: Fultomten ( $25.95)
Seat 9: mo_murder ( $11.03)
Seat 10: WhoHasMyLytr ( $9.05)
guilherp posts small blind (0.10)
Fultomten posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Qc, 5h, Qh, 8s ]
mo_murder folds.
WhoHasMyLytr calls (0.25)
briachek1 calls (0.25)
PilaX calls (0.25)
GolfWidow1 calls (0.25)
ninja714 calls (0.25)
guilherp calls (0.15)
Fultomten checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, Jh, 3h ]
guilherp checks.
Fultomten checks.
WhoHasMyLytr checks.
briachek1 bets (1.75)
PilaX folds.
GolfWidow1 raises (3.50) to 3.50
ninja714 folds.
guilherp calls (3.50)
Fultomten folds.
WhoHasMyLytr folds.
briachek1 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
guilherp checks.
GolfWidow1 bets (10)
guilherp folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $20 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Kh Jh 3h Ad ]

There was a raise and a cold call. I didn't like my chances here. Comments?

Hand 4

***** Hand History for Game 2562740097 *****
vargo11 has left the table.
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 18:17:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 36999 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: bvoro ( $30.70)
Seat 3: guilherp ( $24.75)
Seat 5: briachek1 ( $24.30)
Seat 6: saltamore ( $47.70)
Seat 7: badboybilly ( $24.75)
Seat 8: phuct333 ( $4.75)
Seat 9: MURPHDOGG729 ( $10)
Seat 10: MeLlamoPfaff ( $33.10)
guilherp posts small blind (0.10)
briachek1 posts big blind (0.25)
MURPHDOGG729 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Qh, 8c, 3h, Th ]
saltamore calls (0.25)
badboybilly folds.
phuct333 calls (0.25)
MURPHDOGG729 checks.
bvoro folds.
guilherp calls (0.15)
briachek1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, 8d, 3s ]
guilherp checks.
briachek1 bets (1.25)
saltamore folds.
phuct333 calls (1.25)
MURPHDOGG729 folds.
guilherp folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
briachek1 bets (3.60)
phuct333 calls (3.25)
phuct333 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
Creating Main Pot with $9.75 with phuct333
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9.75 | Side Pot 1: $0.35 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ Tc 8d 3s 7c Jc ]
briachek1 balance $19.55, bet $5.10, collected $0.35, lost -$4.75 [ Qh 8c 3h Th ] [ two pairs, tens and eights -- Jc,Th,Tc,8c,8d ]
phuct333 balance $9.75, bet $4.75, collected $9.75, net +$5 [ Qs Ts Js 7d ] [ two pairs, jacks and tens -- Js,Jc,Ts,Tc,8d ]

This is pretty much the 3rd time I've lost to this short stack. Its getting annoying. You play this hand the same?

Hand 5

***** Hand History for Game 2562721358 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Aug 19 18:13:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 37176 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: apinan88 ( $16.26)
Seat 2: joezac1 ( $10.39)
Seat 3: scooter_9 ( $4.75)
Seat 4: negative1 ( $24.75)
Seat 5: zimt1 ( $87.15)
Seat 6: TokeUp ( $49.87)
Seat 7: cjljmlrkl ( $9.75)
Seat 8: briachek1 ( $24)
Seat 9: DoHauThatBai ( $16.39)
Seat 10: bax_ax ( $29.60)
apinan88 posts small blind (0.10)
scooter_9 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek1 [ Jc, Td, Ah, Ac ]
negative1 calls (0.25)
zimt1 raises (1.10) to 1.10
TokeUp calls (1.10)
cjljmlrkl folds.
briachek1 calls (1.10)
DoHauThatBai folds.
apinan88 folds.
scooter_9 folds.
negative1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, 4d, Tc ]
zimt1 bets (3.75)
TokeUp calls (3.75)
briachek1 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
zimt1 checks.
TokeUp checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
zimt1 checks.
TokeUp checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $10.85 | Rake: $0.55
Board: [ 7s 4d Tc 7c 2d ]
zimt1 balance $93.15, bet $4.85, collected $10.85, net +$6 [ Qh 6d As Qs ] [ two pairs, queens and sevens -- Qh,Qs,Tc,7s,7c ]
TokeUp balance $45.02, lost $4.85 [ 6c 5d Qd Ts ] [ two pairs, tens and sevens -- Qd,Ts,Tc,7s,7c ]

Preflop raiser raises a lot and usually follows it up with a bet. I was gonna raise him max but the cold caller in between scared me. Do you fold, call or raise that flop?
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Last edited by briachek on Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Hofstra » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:44 pm

I wouldn't be against folding the flop, but since the bet is so small it's worth to take one off and see what develops. On the turn, I think that one of them must have me beat. You don't have odds to chase your 2-outer. In these situations I'm not a huge fan of raising for information. If you think there is a decent chance that your opponent has a smaller flush, check-calling might be better: you don't waste more than necessary if you are beat and your calling might induce your opponent to invest more money with a weaker hand.

Scenario 1: your raise earns you the $10 pot.
Scenario 2: you get called and have to fold to a river bet (or worse, pay off a milking bet). This is a $6 or more loss.
Scenario 3: you get called and win showdown: $16 win.
Scenario 3: you get reraised and have to fold: $6 loss.

I just don't think that you are in scenario 1 or 3 enough times to make this +EV. Again, I might change my judgement if I'd have a read on these guys, saying that this weak betting really means a small flush.
Also, even though your raise is mathematically attractive, in the sense that for only $6 you may get your info or win the pot, it really tells your opponents you don't have the nuts, and it allows them to make the correct decisions... an opponent with the bare A might reraise you there if he smells weakness.

You got lucky in the sense that your opponent was slowplaying to a ridiculous extent, and that he didn't bet the river. Against a sensible opponent you don't get away this easily...
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:53 pm

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