AP Just want to encourage you and say I am totally confident you will succede. Everything I have really wanted to accomplish was almost impossible in the eyesight of others.
Mr. Walt Disney was told that what he wanted to do was not possible.

I have learned that the person making the effort decides what is possible in thier life.

I wish you success at making good decisions at the table. I look forward to reading your book "How I Won A Million Dollars Eight Tabling the $1,000.00 Tables"

Stay Encouraged

LOL. Dont make me out to be the bad guy here. I hope he succeeds also. The thing is that Ive been playing for quite a while and seen most everything in my (somewhere near) 1 million hands.

Im not saying he cant win playing 8 tables of $200NL. I am saying that his win rate will be significantly lower than it would be playing 2-4 tables. The players at this level are not the greatest in the world, but they are noticably better than lower stakes (even $100NL). You do need reads against alot of these guys. Not too beat them necessarily, but to extract the most money from your good hands, you will need to do different things against different people and thats going to be very hard playing 8 tables.

I think you probably CAN win more money on an hourly rate basis playing 8 than you would playing 4, because I dont think your win rate will drop further than in half. But I dont see any way, your win rate is going to be all that high.

Thanks once again for all of the encouragement.

Iceman, I was not trying to make you out as the 'bad guy'. I just took your comments as a challenge and it appears there are others that are skeptical as well. My goal is to prove all of the skeptics wrong. I am only using you as a motivating factor Its all good. You are not the bad guy in any sense.

My goal, as outlined in my initial post is 5 PTBB/100 or 10 BB/100. Do you see this as possible playing 8 tables? I want a goal that you view as not possible playing 8 tables of $200 NL. I personally think this is very achievable.

Day 2 :: Aug 30, 2005

Hands: 2722
Time: 8.2 hours

VP$P: 17.63%
PFR: 4.34%
WTSD: 15.34%
W$SD: 54.02%

Won: -$128.92
PTBB/100: -1.18
Win Rate: -$15.72/hr



Today was an awful day. Within the first 500 hands I found myself down $500. It started with an aggressive move with AKs. The flop came two to my suit, I led out and was reraised by a very loose player. I reraised to half of my stack and he ended up pushing. Needless to say I didnt catch any of my cards. This was one of my better losses. I had no problem with it. Then I loss my stack with KK vs AJ all-in pre flop. Then I lost my stack with QQ vs JJ when he proceeds to catch a runner/runner straight after we were all-in. (See below). I slowly was able to recoup my losses. After getting the majority of my money back, I continued to be sucked out on left and right. All-in-all I counted 5 runner/runner situations where I lost the majority, if not all, of my stack. Typically my days start out where I cant catch cards, today I was catching cards, I just kept being sucked out on. Regardless, I should've posted a winning day. The frustration grew too much and I ended up paying off 2 players who caught runner/runners because their river bet seemed like a bluff. Both times I was getting 2:1 on the call. In the future, I need to fold these.

With that said, ending up only down 100 dollars and change was pretty good IMHO. This is the second day where my results didnt reflect how I felt I played. Overall I was very satisifed with my play and continuing to play this way should get me to my target win rate over time.

Favorite Suckout of the Day
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($379.20)
UTG+1 ($106.80)
UTG+2 ($206.35)
MP1 ($179)
MP2 ($74.85)
MP3 ($194.30)
CO ($401.85)
APerfect10 ($197)
SB ($365.40)
BB ($194)

Preflop: APerfect10 is Button with , . SB posts a blind of $1.
4 folds, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, APerfect10 raises to $9, SB (poster) calls $8, BB calls $7, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($29) , , (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, APerfect10 bets $23, SB raises to $55, BB folds, APerfect10 calls $32.

I have been stealing this guys blinds the past few orbits. I dont view his reraise as a set. I'm thinking he's either on one of the two draws or he may even possibly have JJ. I just call because I have a pretty good read he'll fold to a reraise here. If I just call, I plan on pushing the turn after he leads (as long as the flush doesnt hit).

Turn: ($139) (2 players)
SB calls $301.40 (All-In), APerfect10 calls $133 (All-In).

Well, no need to push as he did the work for me. I'm confident I'm ahead with this call as he more than likely wouldnt push all-in on this turn with a set.

River: ($573.40) (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $573.40

Results in white below:
SB has Jh Jc (straight, jack high).
APerfect10 has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins $573.40.

Ugh. This was one of five runner/runner situations that were nearly identical. Oh well, tomorrow is another day...

UGH on the QQ vs. JJ hand.

Reminds me of when I lost KK vs. KQo to runner, runner flush after the all-in. Painful but no other way to play it.

Do I think 5PTBBs is possible playing 8 tables of $1/$2 NL? Hmmm...

Possible? Yes, I guess so. But I think its highly unlikely.

My long term win rate at $1/$2NL is about 7.5-8 PTBBs. I cant remember the exact number right now. If you are as good as I am (and Im not saying that youre not), then I would think going from 3 tables to 8, your win rate would have to drop to 5PTBBs or lower.

If you are good but maybe not quite as good as me, then I cant see how you could reach 5PTBBs playing 8 tables. I guess what Im saying is that I doubt that I could do that well playing 8 tables so I would have to doubt that you could either. Of course, its entirely possible that you are better than me and / or you can process info and make decisions faster than me. But based on win rates of 1000's of my opponents (who I doubt play 8 tables), I dont think youre going to make it. There isnt all that high a percentage of my opponents who hit 5PTBBs no matter how many tables they are playing. I dont know how many of my opponents play that many tables, but I suspect its less than 1-5% of them.

Im not saying any of this to discourage you. Im saying it so you dont set your goals too high because that will only lead to disappointment. Ive done that myself alot in the past before I knew what realistic win rates were.


Question:

Why do you only have 2700 hands in over 8 hours?
The avg is about 60 hands per hour. Even if your MT ratio was 7, you should have over 3400 hands already.

One good thing about playing that many tables is that you will have a very large sample is a very short period of time. You should know within 6 weeks if its possible or not.

On the other hand, dont you already have over 100K hands already (before starting this documented 8 table project?) You said you were doing well at first, but then over 62K hands you were close to break even. What is the total win rate since moving up? It has to be around 2PTBBs right?

Hello,
I've played against you quite a number of times from March til June and think you're quite a competent player. If anyone can do it, you're probably it.

As for myself, after June I had a long break from poker because of a new comp and a game called battlefield 2. But now I'm trying to get back into poker and have tried my own variation of multi tabling.

From what I've observed so far, one of the advantages of multi tabling is that you tend to get tight. I'm pretty sure that most people here are tight to begin with, but by playing 6-8 tables, it's easier to throw out the thrash or the marginal hands when there are other tables to mind

The disadvantage of course is paying less attention to others. So far, at 100NL, I believe that loss from such a disadvantage is marginal. It might be too early to make that judgment but that is what I believe at the moment. If anything, PT&GT+ mitigates the diminished reading ability to an extent.

A few questions for you, just to catch up. I think we progressed at the 25, 50, 100NL tables about the same time before I took a break. How long did it take you to move onto 200NL? Do did you maintain the same PT database the whole time? I'm starting fresh because most likely the player notes are no longer up to date.

In any case, good luck with your ventures and I hope you keep logging.

I had to make a few adjustments along the way from playing $100NL to $200NL. Iceman is correct in saying it is a much tougher game.

I do believe getting 5PTBB's is very possible though. right now I have a 10.8PTBBs/100 in 20k hands while playing 3-5 tables. A big key for me is making lots of notes. Since you use PT it might even be easier for you. I didn't like GT+ too much personally, I think my own notes are better.

You'll pull it off eventually. There's going to be an adjustment peroid, however

Personally, I'm switching back from 5 tables to 4. I can't handle all the crap going on with 5 tables and I think it's costing me lots of money in the long run.

I wish you the best of luck and hope that you will update this journal as often as possible. I'm a bit sceptical of playing 8 NL tables at the same time but that is based on my own ability to multi-proccess. I usually play 4 tables, listen to music and browse a few pages at the same time and that's about all I can do. I don't think that removing the music and reading would enable me to double the amount of tables so I guess you're just a better multitasker than I am.

ricmiaidoka:
Battlefield 2 should be called Battlefiend 2... it is massively -EV. Just 1k points until I unlock the medic gun...

Another thing I noticed from multitabling/multitasking (3 tables at Bodog + watching anime) is that I stopped trying to make a read on opponents. This is not good for anything over 200NL. At 200NL and below you can get away with playing tight poker in a void. This is at Bodog, I haven't moved into 200NL at Party sites yet, but I noticed that the game is tighter at Party compared to Bodog.

As for BF2 I played it for two solid months and got to corporal. My strength is at flying the planes. I unlocked the sniper rifle first and the support gun 2nd. Now I'll play it after I lose a couple of buy-ins at poker to reset my mind.

My player name is DHJakon.

Copy that, I'm [CoFR]Stoneburg. Play mainly at 70.85.234.234:16567 and 85.236.101.35:16867 , drop by if you like a friendly server with decent teamwork

heh Alex.... I already got that $80 an hour number I'm such an arrogant bastard!