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Postby MTPaid » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:10 pm

Two really unlucky hands from today. First 1 questionable, but I though pot odds leaned more towards a call. Even though I had to beat 2 players I knew I had the caller beat and he was just adding money to the pot. Was I right? 2nd hand I just had to post because it was such a joke.

Hand #2. (Story of MyPoker Life Part I or The Obligatory Ace)
No-limit Texas Hold'em $5+$1 (real money), #1,263,495,958
**Easy Money $100 added Multi Table Tournament, 13 Sep 2005 8:13 PM ET



Seat 1: Texstarjim_ ($2,480 in chips)
Seat 2: PayMeDaMoney ($1,345 in chips)
Seat 3: cc4203x ($1,100 in chips)
Seat 4: kensin555 ($1,045 in chips)
Seat 5: Higgscraft ($1,320 in chips)
Seat 6: John1933Boy ($1,420 in chips)
Seat 7: MrMallet ($1,460 in chips)
Seat 8: Kenosha38 ($1,260 in chips)
Seat 9: Magnum-force ($1,370 in chips)
Seat 10: wplunar ($2,200 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
cc4203x posts blind ($10), kensin555 posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
Higgscraft folds, John1933Boy folds, MrMallet calls $20, Kenosha38 bets $70, Magnum-force folds, wplunar folds, Texstarjim_ folds, PayMeDaMoney bets $250, cc4203x calls $240, kensin555 folds, MrMallet folds, Kenosha38 calls $180.

FLOP [Jd][9s][2c]
cc4203x bets $850 and is all-in, Kenosha38 calls $850, PayMeDaMoney calls $850.

I did not call right away here. The original all-in bet had me worried. I think I would have been re-raised with Pocket J's or better. Pocket 9's are a possibility, but so is AJ suited. In the end it is a 50/50 proposition between the 2 hands I think and I am getting 3 to 1 to call here. The call was from an EXTREMELY LOOSE and BAD player who calls any bet when he has at least 1 high card and any post flop bets when he has at least a pair. The only hand I am worried about from him is J9. After this thought process is complete I hit the call button.

TURN [4s]
Kenosha38 checks, PayMeDaMoney checks.

I could go all-in, but just in case I was wrong before, I still have a chip and a chair.

RIVER [Ah]
Kenosha38 checks, PayMeDaMoney checks.

SHOWDOWN
Kenosha38 shows [8s][8c]
PayMeDaMoney shows [Qs][Qc]
cc4203x shows [Ad][Js]
cc4203x wins $3,340.



SUMMARY
Dealer: PayMeDaMoney
Pot: $3,340
Texstarjim_, loses $0
PayMeDaMoney, loses $1,100
cc4203x, bets $1,100, collects $3,340, net $2,240
kensin555, loses $20
Higgscraft, loses $0
John1933Boy, loses $0
MrMallet, loses $20
Kenosha38, loses $1,100
Magnum-force, loses $0
wplunar, loses $0

I was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in my reads. I had a HUGE lead all the way through, but once again was sucked out on in a big hand. Would you have folded to the all-in?

Hand #4: (The Story of My Poker Life Part II or The Day My Computer Learned to Fly)
This one just takes the cake.
No-limit Texas Hold'em $5+$1 (real money), #1,263,578,004
**Easy Money $100 added Multi Table Tournament, 13 Sep 2005 8:38 PM ET



Seat 2: PayMeDaMoney ($475 in chips)
Seat 3: RiverQween ($730 in chips)
Seat 4: Bee37 ($2,927 in chips)
Seat 5: ahole37 ($3,224 in chips)
Seat 6: poker_pete9 ($4,859 in chips)
Seat 7: zenoeval ($3,745 in chips)
Seat 8: kelsling ($540 in chips)
Seat 9: frstdraw ($1,650 in chips)
Seat 10: MZSTOW ($1,705 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
frstdraw posts blind ($50), MZSTOW posts blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
PayMeDaMoney bets $475 and is all-in, RiverQween folds, Bee37 folds, ahole37 calls $475, poker_pete9 folds, zenoeval folds, kelsling folds, frstdraw folds, MZSTOW folds.

FLOP [Jc][6c][4d]

TURN [3h]



RIVER [6d]


SHOWDOWN
PayMeDaMoney shows [Kd][Ks]
ahole37 shows [6s][Kc]
ahole37 wins $1,100.



SUMMARY
Dealer: kelsling
Pot: $1,100
PayMeDaMoney, loses $475
RiverQween, loses $0
Bee37, loses $0
ahole37, bets $475, collects $1,100, net $625
poker_pete9, loses $0
zenoeval, loses $0
kelsling, loses $0
frstdraw, loses $50
MZSTOW, loses $100

Not even SOOTED. I am a 94% favorite before the flop. A 94% favorite!!!
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Postby briachek » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:33 am

Brian [Js][9s]
Anyone who gets in a fair fight, has no tactical skills.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:58 pm

MT... you HAVE to push that flop for several reasons... Lets look at the possibilities that can come from calling an allin and a call w/ an overpair...

Caller, who you said is a total jackass, either had a higher PP (he DID raise PF), and you're basically dead... Sucks that you lose here, but that crap happens, and just play another...

Pusher has a better hand, but caller is a total jackass like you said (and he proved by calling the allin)... Pusher's gonna win a nice pot, but you pushing the flop, there's almost NO WAY that the origional caller doesn't call your flop raise for 400 more... That way, even if the origional raiser either has a better hand, or sucks out (like he did), you have a better chance of competing in the MTT when you have 800+ chips instead of 400...

Pusher AND caller have worse hands, you win all the chips, and sail on to the final table.. 8-)

While playing a MTT w/ 400 chips will still give you a chance to win, I think especially cause you have the caller as such a bad player, a push is necessary, as you almost certainly have one or both of those guys beaten...
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Postby MTPaid » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:19 pm

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