Hi guys,

here another PLO $25max PokerStars hand (blinds .10/.25):

Table 'Timandra' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Joe Blough ($91.20 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Sharrpe95 ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: JAXKING ($117.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Seitan84 ($48.05 in chips)
Seat 6: jimwinsall ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Amano04 ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 8: laturi ($10 in chips)
Seat 9: Stami234 ($26.95 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $0.10
Sharrpe95: posts big blind $0.25
laturi: posts big blind $0.25

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
JAXKING: calls $0.25
Seitan84: calls $0.25
jimwinsall: folds
Amano04: calls $0.25
laturi: checks
Stami234: folds
Joe Blough: folds
HERO: calls $0.15
Sharrpe95: checks

*** FLOP ***
HERO: bets $1
Sharrpe95: raises $3.45 to $4.45
JAXKING: folds
Seitan84: folds
Amano04: calls $3.55 and is all-in
laturi: folds
JAXKING said, "flop pots"
HERO: raises $3.55 to $8
Sharrpe95: calls $0.30 and is all-in

With so many outs I would call a pot-sized bet with my draw, but what about raising the bettor?? I hadn't many chips left for later, so I guess the mistake can't be so big. But how would you handle the situation with more chips?? (How many outs do I need for betting/raising myself?).

Another situation which occurs often to me is flop comes K-J-x and I have A-Q-T-x (so 9 outs to the nut straight). What should I do here?


Thanks guys,

Lumberjack



Results:
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Board
Sharrpe95: shows (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Seat 2: HERO (small blind) showed and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fives
Seat 7: Amano04 mucked

If you have AQT with KJ on board you have 13 outs to a nut straight, not 9 (you need to work on that aspect of your game!).

Again, don't buy in short. To learn this game you need to play it properly and devlop good habits. Play the $10 buyin games if you only want to risk 10 bucks.

There's nothing wrong with betting out with your nice wrap but as soon as someone plays back at you you are (of course!) behind and thus should slow down. With bigger stacks you could bet out or check this flop; I might lean towards checkign because all you really have (on a loose table where people will call a lot of high flush draws) is a straight wrap, and straights are very delicate in this game; you could easily catch and then lose to a spade or a board pair. In this spot, you have no real fold equity (everyone is too loose to fold in these games!) and you don't have enough outs to go pushing the pot (read my post-flop play article "pot limit omaha part 2" on the main page of this website) if your flush isnt good, which in PLO it almost certainly won't be.

Because you have no chips, once u bet you're tied in to the pot with two callers and have odds to go to showdown and get all in. IF you had more chips you should slow down if anyone raises you to "save the bet"; that is, once you're raised you know that they likely have a set at this point, and so if the board pairs you can easily save any remaining chips and check-fold. You should also refrain from betting out on a draw unless you hold a massive draw with enough outs to be +ve EV to increase the size of the pot (in this case I think you'd never have that with this hand; if you get enough calers it's likely one or more have some of your draws covered) OR unless there's a chance you'll win uncontested by pushing your draw (i.e. everyone will fold; "fold equity").

Hope this helps. I am up late and tired so....

Monk
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I agree with monk that having a full stack would give you more options in this hand.

I think the main key to this hand is that you are out of position. Anyone with a flush draw is not gonna fold to your bet so you might as well check it to see what everyone else thinks of the flop. A lot of times, one person betting pots seems to get everyone to go on a frenzy when they would have checked it around. If that happened, you could then hopefully either see all the cards for no more money and fold on the river, or call a pot bet on turn (which would be small if checked around on flop) to see the river.

If you had position, you could see what happens before it gets to you and possibly put in a bet if its checked to you as a semi-bluff. this way, you can learn if how strong someone is if they just call you or check raise you.