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Checking the river

Postby briachek » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:24 pm

with either the intention of calling or raising.

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 2852749215 *****
ilovedeath has left the table.
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Oct 14 01:19:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 36722 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: pandazoo ( $29.20)
Seat 3: soccrking05 ( $14.80)
Seat 4: oledrawball ( $30.10)
Seat 5: Godzilla55 ( $25.10)
Seat 6: rchanpk1 ( $7.50)
Seat 7: Frida83 ( $23.70)
Seat 8: bflatguy ( $14.80)
Seat 9: briachek4 ( $32.25)
briachek4 posts small blind (0.10)
pandazoo posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek4 [ Jc, 8d, As, Ac ]
soccrking05 calls (0.25)
oledrawball folds.
Godzilla55 folds.
rchanpk1 folds.
Frida83 folds.
bflatguy folds.
briachek4 calls (0.15)
pandazoo checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, Qc, 5d ]
briachek4 checks.
pandazoo checks.
soccrking05 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]
briachek4 bets (0.75)
pandazoo folds.
soccrking05 calls (0.75)
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
briachek4 checks.
soccrking05 bets (2)
briachek4 calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $5.95 | Rake: $0.30
Board: [ 5s Qc 5d 2h Th ]
soccrking05 balance $11.80, lost $3 [ Kh Ad 3h 4s ] [ a pair of fives -- Ad,Kh,Qc,5s,5d ]
briachek4 balance $35.20, bet $3, collected $5.95, net +$2.95 [ Jc 8d As Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and fives -- As,Ac,Qc,5s,5d ]

If i figure him for a draw (which i do in this case) there is no use to betting or check raising. Do you value bet unless you are quite sure he's on a draw?

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 2852736408 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Oct 14 01:01:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 64009 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: briachek4 ( $33.65)
Seat 2: Frida83 ( $22.90)
Seat 3: allgoo ( $3.35)
Seat 4: caryrosario ( $121.95)
Seat 5: soccrking05 ( $6.60)
Seat 6: CrazyAmi ( $24.50)
Seat 7: oledrawball ( $28.75)
Seat 8: rchanpk1 ( $0)
Seat 9: blacson ( $76.10)
Seat 10: Ola_G ( $23.25)
blacson posts small blind (0.10)
Ola_G is sitting out.
briachek4 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek4 [ 4h, 8h, 3s, Qd ]
Frida83 folds.
allgoo calls (0.25)
caryrosario calls (0.25)
soccrking05 calls (0.25)
CrazyAmi folds.
oledrawball calls (0.25)
blacson calls (0.15)
briachek4 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, Qs, 2s ]
blacson bets (0.25)
briachek4 calls (0.25)
allgoo calls (0.25)
caryrosario folds.
soccrking05 folds.
oledrawball folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
blacson checks.
briachek4 checks.
allgoo bets (0.50)
blacson calls (0.50)
briachek4 calls (0.50)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
blacson checks.
briachek4 checks.
allgoo checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $3.60 | Rake: $0.15
Board: [ 5d Qs 2s 8s Qh ]
briachek4 balance $36.25, bet $1, collected $3.60, net +$2.60 [ 4h 8h 3s Qd ] [ a full house, Queens full of eights -- Qd,Qs,Qh,8h,8s ]
allgoo balance $2.35, lost $1 [ 4d Kd As 6s ] [ a flush, ace high -- As,Qs,8s,6s,2s ]
blacson balance $75.10, lost $1 [ 2h Jd 4s 3h ] [ two pairs, queens and twos -- Qs,Qh,Jd,2h,2s ]

Blacson was a moron and allgoo was a short stack. I figured short stacks love to go all in so I checked to him. What about leading for half his stack, hope he pushes and blacson calls and then I can raise? Checking probably cost me the rest of allgoo stack as I don't know short stacks to fold at this point

Hand 3

***** Hand History for Game 2852730466 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Oct 14 00:53:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 36658 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Paniolo44 ( $29.98)
Seat 2: ilovedeath ( $25)
Seat 3: caryrosario ( $37.82)
Seat 4: briachek4 ( $25.45)
Seat 5: Frida83 ( $25.80)
Seat 6: rubeus1 ( $31.15)
Seat 7: CrazyAmi ( $27.70)
Seat 8: Ola_G ( $25.70)
Seat 9: rchanpk1 ( $4.65)
Seat 10: oledrawball ( $17.20)
ilovedeath posts small blind (0.10)
caryrosario posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek4 [ Js, Jd, Kd, 6s ]
briachek4 calls (0.25)
Frida83 folds.
rubeus1 calls (0.25)
CrazyAmi folds.
Ola_G folds.
rchanpk1 folds.
oledrawball folds.
Paniolo44 folds.
ilovedeath folds.
caryrosario raises (0.25) to 0.50
briachek4 calls (0.25)
rubeus1 calls (0.25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4d, 8c, Jc ]
caryrosario bets (0.45)
briachek4 raises (2.90) to 2.90
rubeus1 calls (2.90)
caryrosario folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
briachek4 bets (7.50)
rubeus1 calls (7.50)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
briachek4 bets (14.55)
briachek4 is all-In.
rubeus1 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $36.30 with briachek4
** Summary **
Main Pot: $36.30 | Rake: $1.10
Board: [ 4d 8c Jc Ad 2s ]
briachek4 balance $36.30, bet $25.45, collected $36.30, net +$10.85

I figured the pot was large enough to just go all in but he probably had missed draw. Maybe there was no way to get money from him and I would hate to check if he had 2 pair or something that would pay me off but not bet.

Hand 4

***** Hand History for Game 2852730492 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Oct 14 00:53:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 64009 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: briachek4 ( $24.40)
Seat 2: Frida83 ( $23.50)
Seat 3: allgoo ( $3.35)
Seat 4: caryrosario ( $124.05)
Seat 5: soccrking05 ( $7.10)
Seat 6: CrazyAmi ( $21.55)
Seat 7: oledrawball ( $29.60)
Seat 8: rchanpk1 ( $3.80)
Seat 9: blacson ( $82)
Seat 10: Ola_G ( $23.50)
briachek4 posts small blind (0.10)
Frida83 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek4 [ 8s, Jd, 9s, As ]
allgoo folds.
caryrosario folds.
soccrking05 folds.
CrazyAmi folds.
oledrawball calls (0.25)
rchanpk1 folds.
blacson raises (0.50) to 0.50
Ola_G folds.
briachek4 calls (0.40)
Frida83 calls (0.25)
oledrawball calls (0.25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, 7d, 2s ]
briachek4 checks.
Frida83 checks.
oledrawball checks.
blacson bets (0.25)
briachek4 calls (0.25)
Frida83 folds.
oledrawball calls (0.25)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
briachek4 checks.
oledrawball checks.
blacson bets (2)
briachek4 calls (2)
oledrawball folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ]
briachek4 checks.
blacson bets (6.45)
briachek4 calls (6.45)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $18.70 | Rake: $0.95
Board: [ Jc 7d 2s Ah 9h ]
briachek4 balance $33.90, bet $9.20, collected $18.70, net +$9.50 [ 8s Jd 9s As ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- As,Ah,Jd,Jc,9h ]
blacson balance $72.80, lost $9.20 [ Ad 4d 7s 3h ] [ two pairs, aces and sevens -- Ad,Ah,Jc,7s,7d ]

This guy is a calling station that plays every hand and doesn't know how to bet. I thought the best line after the turn was to just let him bet it for me to limit losses if he would suck out. However, this could leave a lot of value on the table. I'm happy I got back some of the money he sucked out on me earlier but maybe I could have gotten more.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:53 pm

Hand 1: No reason to value bet. Your play looks best.

Hand 2: Gotta bet I'm afraid. I find it hard to see you getting a big pot out of this one, so you can't let them show down for nothing with a flush out.

Hand 3: A much better river to check. given the flop, he's MUCH more likely to have a draw than a weak made hand. The way you played, unless he's dreadful, he's not calling a weedy 2 pair for that much (look at your betting). Either bet weakly to milk a two-pair or (perhaps better) check and hope he makes a desperation bluff. I like the latter.

Hand 4: I raise turn to force out the 3rd player.
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A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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Postby briachek » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:58 pm

Hand 5

***** Hand History for Game 2853501760 *****
iRockZ24 has left the table.
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Fri Oct 14 21:16:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 36548 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: bridgeiscool ( $15.50)
Seat 2: briachek4 ( $32.90)
Seat 3: MVPSPORTS1 ( $23.20)
Seat 5: lazycall ( $29.40)
Seat 6: kramxel96 ( $14.60)
Seat 7: flounder1834 ( $25.30)
Seat 8: Bat248 ( $48.40)
Seat 9: ilovedeath ( $24.90)
Seat 10: Micheblob ( $10.45)
bridgeiscool posts small blind (0.10)
briachek4 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek4 [ Qs, 6d, 6c, 8c ]
MVPSPORTS1 folds.
lazycall calls (0.25)
kramxel96 calls (0.25)
flounder1834 calls (0.25)
Bat248 calls (0.25)
ilovedeath folds.
Micheblob calls (0.25)
bridgeiscool calls (0.15)
briachek4 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, 6h, Ah ]
bridgeiscool checks.
briachek4 bets (1.70)
lazycall folds.
kramxel96 calls (1.70)
flounder1834 folds.
Bat248 folds.
Micheblob folds.
bridgeiscool folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
briachek4 bets (4.90)
kramxel96 calls (4.90)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ks ]
briachek4 checks.
kramxel96 bets (7.75)
kramxel96 is all-In.
briachek4 calls (7.75)
Creating Main Pot with $28.95 with kramxel96
** Summary **
Main Pot: $28.95 | | Rake: $1.50
Board: [ 3c 6h Ah Kd Ks ]
briachek4 balance $47.25, bet $14.60, collected $28.95, net +$14.35 [ Qs 6d 6c 8c ] [ a full house, Sixes full of kings -- Kd,Ks,6d,6c,6h ]
kramxel96 balance $0, lost $14.60 [ Kh Jc Qh Js ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Ah,Kh,Kd,Ks,Qh ]

I told MVP what I had before the river and he almost shit himself when he saw me check the river. Now he knows the power of the check.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:35 pm

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A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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