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Postby AlamedaMike » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:05 pm

Current wisdom, I am told, is that a good player should be able to beat a loose player over time. This sounds like something that should be true.

The problem as I see it (and please correct me) is that loose players will cause a large variance that you (or me) might not be able to overcome long term.

As an example.

Live game. Blinds 3,2 and 2 on the BTN. I am BB with AA. I make it $30 to go to which is the standard for high pocket pairs on this table after several players have limped. . A very loose player in the SB and one other player MP called.

The pot has about $100.

The flop is Jack, small, small rainbow. SB checks and I bet $100. Mp folds, and SB calls. Pot now has $300.

The Turn is Queen and still rainbow. The SB checks and I push my $250 (he has $150) and the he calls.

He has QJo and his two pair won. Later he went broke and lost about $400. But, not to me. I was able to get $150 back from him.

The player on my left said that I slowplayed my aces in jest and I said I bet $100 on the flop which was the size of the pot. He said, yeah, SB made a bad call there. I could have gone all in. I am not sure he would have called. The pot had $100 and I had $350 - all in seemed a bit much.

Now, it is said that you win money when your opponents make mistakes. You want players calling you when you have AA and they have QJo.

In a given session you do not have enough hands that can overcome a few of these beats. Players make bad calls all the time and suck out often enough to cause a large swings. That is why we have large bankrolls to play with.

Long term you should be able to beat them but I think that there are too many of them.

I am a long way from finding the secret to success at poker, but I am still trying. I win more session than I lose.

I have AA and raise on a 6max table - the bb calls with 74o and flops two pair. He checked raised the flop, I floded and the sb called with TPAK.

Somedays you are the bug and somedays you are the windshield.

If anyone has the answer to beating loose playes please share it - thanks.

I have been known to call a $15 raise with QJs but not $30 and not $100 for top pair - I had flopped trips. :-)
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Postby AlamedaMike » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:34 pm

Thanks for moving it :D
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Postby NWCougar » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:12 pm

Isolate them
Avoid FPS
Use straight-forward aggression with prime hands
C/R if possible on the turn with the nuts

Sometimes they will outdraw you, but get the money in while you have the best hand for a +EV longterm
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Postby Rhound50 » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:20 pm

Mike you answered your own question in your post. You beat loose players by making them make incorrect calls. In both of your examples you did that. You have a bankroll for a reason.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:49 am

Was there any indication this guy hit the two pair on the turn? Were you watching his eyes as the card was dealt? Did he look away, check strangely or act weak somehow?
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Postby AlamedaMike » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:59 am

Some days you are the bug and some days you are the windshield. :D
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