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Postby k3nt » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:03 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:30 am

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Postby AlamedaMike » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:37 pm

swings and kings don't even rhyme - :D nice lay down. I have been wondering if it is better to just fold my KK to a push. Two of my 5 loses with KK were to AA.

One was a runner straight when I flopped a King. One was to a flopped set of 8's.

I lost $200 with KK and I won $294 for 58 hands - most cases I won the $0.75 blinds.

If I had laid down my KK for an all-in push it would look like this...

Loses against a push all-in.

KK vs QQ - lose $4 not $50 (bad beat)
KK vs 88 - lose $5 not $47 (nice flop - 888 pushed the flop - bad call by me)
KK vs AA - lose $8 not $43
KK vs AQ - lose $11 not $27
KK vs AA - lose $12 not $25

Wins

KK vs ATc - lose $24 but won $54 (flush draw that missed)
KK vs TT - lose $6 but won $39.60

Against a raise

KK vs QQ - lose $10.25 but won $17.40 - no way to fold to a mini-raise all in.

Every other hand was a winner - mostly the blinds or a small pot on the flop.

So clearly if I had folded every time they pushed against me preflop I would be ahead more.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:17 pm

BTW - I just saw KK vs AA and the AA put in the 4th riase

It went KK - raise, AA -re raise, KK re-raise, AA re-raise - KK called and guess what? the AA won.

Watching I figured 99% the player had AA and he did.

So instead of pushing with KK do a mini-raise and see if he re-raises ya! Then fold.

Uber should have just called the $1.50 because the sb was short stacked. The odds to hit a set at 7.5-1 - the Ace flopped and he could have gotten away from his hand.

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FTP NL50

Seat 1: mikeychloe ($41.65)
Seat 2: Thx4allTheFish ($48.85)
Seat 3: AlamedaMike ($33.45)
Seat 4: Ket1212 ($16.75)
Seat 5: BVanVolkenburg ($47.75)
Seat 6: DGOLF ($33.25)
Seat 7: DA_KYD ($18.15)
Seat 8: Nihamuras ($72.40), is sitting out
Seat 9: Ubergrinder ($55.35)
DGOLF posts the small blind of $0.25
DA_KYD is sitting out
Ubergrinder posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AlamedaMike [9s] [Js]

Ubergrinder: play super tight

mikeychloe folds
Thx4allTheFish folds
DA_KYD has returned
AlamedaMike calls $0.50
Ket1212 calls $0.50
BVanVolkenburg folds
DGOLF raises to $2.50
Ubergrinder raises to $6
AlamedaMike folds
Ket1212 folds
DGOLF raises to $11
Ubergrinder raises to $55.35, and is all in
DGOLF calls $22.25, and is all in
Ubergrinder shows [Kc] [Kh]
DGOLF shows [As] [Ad]
Uncalled bet of $22.10 returned to Ubergrinder
*** FLOP *** [Ac] [7h] [2s]
Ubergrinder: crap
*** TURN *** [6h]
*** RIVER *** [8h]
AlamedaMike: fourth riase means AA
Ubergrinder shows a pair of Kings
DGOLF shows three of a kind, Aces
DGOLF wins the pot ($64.50) with three of a kind, Aces
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