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What is your Junk Hand Leak % ?

0-10%
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68%
11-20%
4
14%
21-30%
4
14%
30-40%
1
4%
more than 40%
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Postby frisco3 » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:45 pm

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Postby AlamedaMike » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:41 pm

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I count more hands as junk than you do in your article - I count 134 hands as junk.

6 % where I put in money not in a blind - add in the blinds where I put money in and it goes up to 10% ($487)

I have been winning since 11/03/05 - before that I was losing. This is 11,114 hands.

Core hands +$815 or $5.60 ptbb/100 hands.

Starting 11/03/05 -

I changed to play only core hands starting 11/03/2005 and so far $5.14ptbb/100 - a little low now since I just took a very bad beat with QQQ.

Good article.

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BTW - I started my own analysis on 11/2/05 before I read this article that is why my hand groups are different. I don't count A9s-A7s as core - they are junk to me. I lose with these hands. I do not play A9-A2 suited or off suit unless free from the BB since 11/03.

This article is great for preflop starting hand selection which is the most important aspect I think.

But, then it comes to post flop play. This is a big area and I am not sure how PT can help execpt as a tool to review you play, which I do. Getting stacked a few time either by bad play or bad beats can really hurt your bankroll in No limit.
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Postby excession » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:34 pm

Alameda - Folks reading the article are meant to make their own core/marginal/junk hand lists, not follow mine.

Your tables and methods of play are different to mine- that is the great thing about PT you can tailor your starting hands to the exact metagame you are playing in as your database reflects your own requirments.

One indicator of bad post flop play is noticing hands that should be core winners - say like AQs or KQ which are in fact losing hands for you - this indicates a tendency to overplay them post-flop...

Getting stacked by bad beats is unavoidable and not a problem if you are adequately bankrolled and are able to keep calm - just remember that, unless you get your money in with the best of it, you can't suffer a bad beat - so their very existence is a sign that you are outplaying your opponents.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:03 am

Thanks excession :D I love PT - wish I could use it live.

I think that I get more bad beats than the 17% or so that you should get. But, I can not prove it. 17% beacuse almost any hand will lose about 17% of the time.


In a live game tonight I got one true bad beat. I flopped a set of 7's and he got a runner runner flush. His only out. After the flop he had 4% chance to win. Now that drives me crazy.

But, you have to love a player that will go all in with only a 4% chance to win.


Back to the point of the thread.

I think that I overplay KQs - cards like KQ QJ and KJ are trap hands and I have started to be more careful with them after reviewing my PT and reading your article.

Thanks again.
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Postby striker2550 » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:19 pm

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