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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:07 am

Cryptologic E200 PLO.

I am in BB with a full stack and dealt 8[h] 9[c] 6[h] 5[c].

A couple of limps then a loose and fairly aggressive player (but i'm guessing <5% pfr, although don't have PTO running) raises pot in LP. I call, as do two others.

Flop comes 9[h] 6[d] 3[h]. I check from the blind intending to CR if the PFR bets when it comes to him.

An MP player (no real read but he hasn't done anything odd yet, seemingly been quite quiet) pushes a pot bet of about E50 in which leaves about E40 left. The PFR player smooth calls. Both myself and the PFR have the MP player covered to the tune of about E100 more. What is your action now?
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Postby briachek » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:50 pm

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Postby Ojingo » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:46 pm

I fold and get away from this cheaply. You don't have any idea how many clean outs you have and may be drawing thin. Change your 5 in a 7 and I would consider continuing.
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Postby briachek » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:16 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:30 pm

Fold is indeed the right answer. This is the worst hand I've played in a long time; usually in omaha you're looking to make small mistakes (if you have to make a mistake!) such as getting your money in as a slight underdog, or folding a hand that has marginal +EV or something. The mistakes that hurt are the BIG ones, the ones where you give up a whole world of EV. And I made a BIG one here when I pushed all in.

The lead better presumably has some made hand (at the time it really felt like a biggie, a full bet into a multi-way pot, he clearly wasn't scared of getting all in here), and the smooth call from the PFR player is just screaming that he has a flush draw. All that considered, it seems pretty sure I'm behind in the main pot, and ahead in the side but with a flush draw that has no chance of being good. Of course the gutshot is handy, but really even in the best case scenario I'm unlikely to be +EV here (or at least very much; say, if PFR has nut flush draw and the other guy has the same top two I'm a shade +EV to get it in), and there is a real possibility I can be utterly buried here.

Indeed it proved, as the lead bettor had top set and the smooth caller had AA with the nut flush draw. I haven't done the maths but I figure my EV to get my E200 stack in here was probably less than E70, which, in a three way pot, is pretty ugly.
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Postby odogg » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:39 pm

Does Crypto have short handed PLO?
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:02 pm

No.
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Postby briachek » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:29 pm

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