CJ, I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the point where morons are gone. Why are you making that connection?

In any event, I don't cite that because I think the 20BB is a magic number. The way most SnGs are structured, you're pretty much going to be there by the third blind level. But I am pointing out the concept that it really isn't going to do you much good to wait until you're down to something like 6xBB before looking for a good hand to make a move. You've got to get looser and more aggressive long before you get to that point.

10 BB is my rule of thumb. I agree with CJ that 20BB is a huge stack many times. I also am starting to experiment with mid level suited connectors and not just Ax Kx type hands. Last night went all-in with 8BB holding 76s. Called by AQo and doubled up when I caught my straight. I actually caught a 6 on the flop and that would have been enough. Having live cards IS the key and I'm finding mid level connectors to be an interesting option.

Sunbob, yes, medium SCs are a good hand to play, although probably not as a push unless really desperate. They are especially good to play early on when the stacks are deep relative to the blinds and you're playing small ball.

I wrote up something on 2+2 about it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showf ... ost4830764

(Anyone know how you rename these links to they aren't so long?)

I've found playing small ball early on is the best way to grow a chip stack.

CJ

That's SO COOL! Thanks.

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