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Postby excession » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:58 pm

my standard buy-in is 50BB

that way you don't have to make any hard decisions with TPTK at least until you get some reads...
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Postby excession » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:14 pm

assuming it's not a stupidly dangerous flop and I am still half-stacked, any push from anyone who I don't know is weak-tight or super-passive yes..
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Postby thaninja » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:36 pm

I believe that there IS a slight edge with this method....But it could be that you have to put in 50,000 hands to really see the edge at any given limit. So many of these all-ins are coin tosses that a couple going the wrong way really throws off the win rate. It will probably take longer for this PTBB/100 to stabilize than other methods due to the very small edge it presents.

Each loss is a swing of approx 50 BB (Difference between -25 for loss and +25 for win).

I haven't put any more time into this method. Would be nice if all the regulars agreed to put in 2000 hands at 100NL so that we can compile results.
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Postby Johnny The Knot » Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:03 am

The whole point of the system is bankroll management. To play at the $100 tables with a minimal chance of busting out you need to devote a $600 bankroll. $150 is only 5 buy-ins, not at all an unexpected swing.

If you are only willing to lose $150 before calling it quits you would need to play at the $25 tables for $7.50 buy-ins. You would step up to the $50 tables when your bankroll reached $300, and back down the $25 tables if it hit $150 again. It's a long term system that will have it's losing streaks, not a magic bullet for winning every hand you are in.

I've noticed the success of the system depends on being called with a certain frequency. If you don't get enough calls you lose to the blinds. The more calls you get the more suckouts you can expect, but in the end you need those calls to enforce your edge. For that reason I think it may work better at the lowest levels where wild players will toss it in because it's only a few bucks.

I've played it on Paradise's loose tables and it was very successful although highly variable. On B2B's super squeezer tables there are very few calls and it just slowly gets whittled down.

After 4500 hands I'm currently +.3 PTBB/100
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Postby excession » Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:11 am

After 4500 hands I'm currently +.3 PTBB/100

Rather than playing the $100's with a $600 roll you could just play the $50's half-stacked - get to play a bit of poker too
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1000 played hands @ Party using the method.

Postby GeoC » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:46 am


I'm going to do the second Party bonus (1500) hands and see where I end up with this method. I'll post the total (2500) hands when I get there.
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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:03 am

Soul...it's your own fault for seeing this as a 'proven' and 'fool proof' method. Not once did ayone suggest this. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SURE METHOD TO MAKE MONEY IN POKER...no such thing! There are methods where you can be nearly sure...but never competely. It's called variance bud. That's too bad that you experienced a bad swing running this experiment...but you should've gone into it understanding that you may experience a loss.
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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:59 pm

Bots are illegal on any reputable site. Yeah, the SS method should have your pfr JUST below your VPIP...or EQUAL to your VPIP not in a blind. Your showdown % should also equal your VPIP not in a blind.
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