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Postby tommyhawk » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:57 am

Hi all,

I am wondering what you would have done in a situation something like this.


There are 4 left in a STNG where 3rd gets payed.

For reasons unknown you have over played AQ ( or something in that group ).
You raised it preflop got called. Hit nothing on the board took another stab at the turn he called and now the river gave you no help at all.

Say the pot has $2200 in it. You have $900 left and your opponent has a dangerously $400 left.
There is no danger on the board but you are pretty sure he has an small pair.

Your opponent checks and it is up to you.

I know you don’t have much info but it is just a situation I ran in twice this week and thought it was nice to post it.

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Postby starstealer » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:01 am

In this kind of situation it is rather important to know the spots that you've left out: how has the player has played thus far? loose? calling station?

It would also be important to know what the blinds or limits are and how much each of the previous bets were.

In this case, without more information though, I would probably push in unless the blinds were less than 50/100 (or limits at less than 100/200). If the limits or blinds were that low, I'd be more inclined to check/fold.

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Postby tommyhawk » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:45 am

I know there are million things you would like to know.

It is an average game against an avarage player.

Check or bet and if you bet how much?
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Postby Telemachus » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:44 am

On this limited info, this decision is, in my view, almost too close to call. With 4 players left, you need to get ITM. But can you bext maximise your chances by taking a stab at a potential pot of 2800, and if succesful pretty much guarantee the money, or by walking away with your 900 intact?

As your opponent has shown he is too stubborn to throw his hand away despite all of the strength you have shown, is he really likely to throw it away at the river when he is getting about 7 to 1 on his call?

I think the size of the buy in is crucial to this question. They could have called you with nothing all the way at the micro levels, and are probably more likely to call you on the river here than at the higher levels (although you would also expect players at the higher levels to need a better hand to call in the first place, and be more aware of the pot odds they are getting).

I think I am checking and folding this, on the basis I am getting called and losing about 90% of the time. At least I will have 900 left to play with. However, chip stacks and the blinds and the way this guy has played so far could easily sway my decision the other way, and have me pushing all in.
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Postby TexasKowboy » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:50 am

If you bet he has to call with only $400 left the blinds must be at least 100/200? If you don't bet you are now the small stack.

With the info you have given I check and make a stand with my 900 if his hand is better.
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Postby Nashvegas » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:29 pm

Kowboy is right!

For the same reason that some of you are willing to throw your 900 chips at a 2800 pot, it is incredibly unlikely that a guy with 400 chips left is going to fold any sort of a hand (including even bottom pair or AK), especially with blinds that high. Put yourself in your opponent's shoes!!! Can you imagine calling a bet on the turn that would leave you with only 400 chips AND then being willing to fold on the river? I hope none of you would put yourself in that situation, because I don't even think a below-average player would do so.

You have virtually zero folding equity on the river. Check it down, because he won't fold any hand that is better than yours.
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Postby tommyhawk » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:56 pm

HI,

Well i was about to check untill my friend who was watching adviced me to bet $200.

I was not very happy with the idea but to show him I did and.....my opponent folded.

In the second situation where i semi hit I did the same and my opponent folded again.

Now I don't think I will do it more often but I think it was an good example of how things might also work.

I took second and first in these.

Just a thought.

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Postby TexasKowboy » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:11 pm

Oh you didn't say they were $5 buy ins. lol
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