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Struggle for 3rd place, push with TT?

Postby GloveMan » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:57 pm

OK, I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than I should, but I'm on a terrible losing streak, my bankroll is at about 2/3's of what it was. I decided to play more tournaments to build up my bankroll and fix the many leaks in my game. After reading through the forms and most of the articles on this site, I sat down at a $10 NL Hold Em Tourney at Party. I played great, I played two hands, doubled up from my 800 starting chips (around 1600) and made it to the final four. At this point, there was one large stack around 3000-3500, and the rest of us were all around 1500 or so. One of the three of us started stealing blinds, he raised pf for almost the entire 150/300 session. I couldn't play back, I wasnt getting dealt anything. The other short stack had slightly less chips than me. I was not going to be afraid to push pf against the blind stealer, as he showed his hands worthy of a raise and mucked the rest. He was mucking about 70% of the time.
The question is, should I have waited for the other short stack to make a move? Or should I have done this

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed)

UTG (t3200)
Button (t2640)
Hero (t1035)
BB (t1125)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T:diamond:, T:heart:.
[color:#CC3333]UTG raises to t800[/color], Button folds, BB folds, UTG calls t235.

Flop: (t1635) A:heart:, K:diamond:, 6:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]

Turn: (t1635) 2:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]

River: (t1635) J:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]

Final Pot: t1635

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
UTG has Kc 4d (one pair, kings).
Hero has Td Th (one pair, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins t1635. [/color]

Should I not have given him a chance to catch even assuming he only has one overcard?
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Postby briachek » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:22 pm

Part of the hand seems to be missing but it looks like you went all in preflop. I have no problem with this being that the BB is so large and your stack is small. You were a very big favorite going in as he only had one over on you. Most of the time, you win this and in are likely gonna be in the money and be in position to win the tourney. With blinds of 200/400 and a stack of 1000 4 handed, you are not gonna get a better time than this to get it all in. If you don't by your next BB, you don't have many chips to push in and likely won't last long.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:34 pm

Exactly what I would have done. Sadly, with the same results. Just busted out with AA on the button. SB had AA.

I must have lost a couple hundred bucks on second best hand the last three days. It's an awful feeling.
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Postby WildBillHickok » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:04 pm

....i'll go all in w/10 10 everytime in any position when there are 4 of us left...even strong Aces, which there are unlikely to be, are behind you, and probably most baby pairs are going to call you... in a strong game, you'll win most of the time the blinds...in a $10 SNG, you'll get called more often, but win most of the time anyway...

ha, like the one about the 2 tigers fighting, never heard that one before...so stay away from other big chip leaders!!
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Postby WC » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:33 pm

I would definitely push all in preflop with 10 10 with 4 people left in a SNG.
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Postby mattpj » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:06 pm

thats the problem when it gets 4 handed

You(collective us if you like) seem to be the only person who remembers you have to use your stack to get anywhere. Like pushing with 10's, i would have done it everytime, you are likely to be called by weak K or weak A espech at 10 dollar buy in level

Nothing wrong with your play, you just can;t keep folding waiting for someone to make a miove, only the guy with 3000 plus chips can, because he doesn't want to double someone for nothing

Dont feel too bad, even with SNG swings are common and i couldn't buy a win the last time i had a big bankroll.. but i built it from hardly anything so dont worry i am sure the win is just around the corner :)
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Postby Nashvegas » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:45 am

Can't tell what's going on there, but when there are four players left, the critical concept is to be the aggressor! You don't want to get into a situation where you're a 60/40 favorite to win a hand against a big stack for all your chips -- 40% of the time you're out of the money, and out of the 60% chance you have to win, some of those times you still won't make the money!

Look at an all in raise preflop in the same catagory as a semibluff in a ring game. Raising all in preflop gives you two ways to win the pot, but calling an all in means that in all likelyhood you're at about a 60% chance to win, or lower. Especially with your opponent that low, you probably only have to steal one round of blinds to have a big advantage over him. At this point in the game, you are not really playing cards as much as you are playing situations -- you've just got to develop a feel for when people are likely to fold to you when you're a short stack, and when they are itching to call. Make a move when they will fold, because outsurviving just one extra person makes the difference between 100% loss and a nearly 100% ROI for that one SNG!
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