$100NL 6-max @ Prima.
UTG minraises. i call w/ 98s in the BB.
flop is 762. i check, he bets $4, i CR to $12...he calls. turn is an 8. i bet $20, he calls. river is a 10 giving me a straight. i shove for $67...he calls......with KJ offsuit....
i've never seen this before.
jon
WTF?
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by black_knight6 » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:46 pm
Totally the dumbest thing I've seen today...but, so was your check raise OOP!! Raise to get free cards...not when you're still drawing OOP!
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by ua1176 » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:38 pm
the short version is this:
no one is respecting your raise unless it's 3x the original bet or more.
in a typical $100NL game between 2 decent players with a full stack in a raised pot, there'll be roughly $10 in the pot on the flop. if the PF raiser leads for $10 and you raise, you have to raise to at least $30. between preflop and flop, you have put in 1/3 of your stack. you'll hit your flush just over 1/3 of the time, or your OESD almost exactly 1/3 of the time, and there is no guarantee at all that you'll get paid with the rest of villain's stack. it is not hugely +EV to raise with the intent of seeing a free turn card, especially against players who will call your flop raise, and lead out on a blank turn because of either their strong poker skills or their complete stupidity.
there are about a million good reasons to sometimes raise your draws. the free card is at the bottom of the list IMO. i didnt go into great detail about the table conditions at the time, or about my thought process during the hand. but its silly to think that a CR with a draw is a universally poor idea.
jon
no one is respecting your raise unless it's 3x the original bet or more.
in a typical $100NL game between 2 decent players with a full stack in a raised pot, there'll be roughly $10 in the pot on the flop. if the PF raiser leads for $10 and you raise, you have to raise to at least $30. between preflop and flop, you have put in 1/3 of your stack. you'll hit your flush just over 1/3 of the time, or your OESD almost exactly 1/3 of the time, and there is no guarantee at all that you'll get paid with the rest of villain's stack. it is not hugely +EV to raise with the intent of seeing a free turn card, especially against players who will call your flop raise, and lead out on a blank turn because of either their strong poker skills or their complete stupidity.
there are about a million good reasons to sometimes raise your draws. the free card is at the bottom of the list IMO. i didnt go into great detail about the table conditions at the time, or about my thought process during the hand. but its silly to think that a CR with a draw is a universally poor idea.
jon
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