2nd to nuts....go for it?

[briachek]

Hand 1

***** Hand History for Game 3793014725 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Tue Mar 21 19:37:50 EST 2006
Table Table 95414 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ipokrates1 ( $11.50)
Seat 2: higher1871 ( $25.80)
Seat 3: Kobil ( $6.57)
Seat 4: chingching72 ( $20.91)
Seat 5: carsonjones ( $14.75)
Seat 6: Amputation ( $14.64)
Seat 8: Danny2986 ( $24.75)
Seat 9: briachek ( $25)
Seat 10: hurricane007 ( $31.85)
ipokrates1 posts small blind (0.10)
higher1871 is sitting out.
Kobil posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ 9s, Qh, Jd, Kh ]
chingching72 folds.
carsonjones folds.
Amputation folds.
Danny2986 raises (0.85) to 0.85
briachek calls (0.85)
hurricane007 calls (0.85)
ipokrates1 calls (0.75)
Kobil calls (0.60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, 2c, Ts ]
ipokrates1 checks.
Kobil checks.
Danny2986 bets (4.05)
briachek calls (4.05)
hurricane007 folds.
ipokrates1 folds.
Kobil folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
Danny2986 bets (11.75)
briachek ???

Fear AK enough to fold 2nd nut straight, top two and gutshot to split if he does have it?

Hand 2

***** Hand History for Game 3792693066 *****
0/0 Omaha Game Table (PL) - Tue Mar 21 18:50:20 EST 2006
Table Table 95217 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: briachek ( $55.45)
Seat 2: micksauce ( $51)
Seat 3: booher ( $57.10)
Seat 4: allend1 ( $14.27)
Seat 5: Chiromike415 ( $16.99)
Seat 6: SteveKara ( $30.54)
Seat 7: DCP48 ( $19.50)
Seat 8: cal917 ( $8.58)
Seat 9: filzathome ( $40.08)
Seat 10: pleonitas ( $10.22)
booher posts small blind (0.25)
allend1 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to briachek [ Ks, Kd, Ts, Js ]
Chiromike415 folds.
SteveKara calls (0.50)
DCP48 calls (0.50)
cal917 calls (0.50)
filzathome calls (0.50)
pleonitas folds.
briachek calls (0.50)
micksauce folds.
booher folds.
allend1 raises (0.50) to 1
SteveKara calls (0.50)
SteveKara: come on dude??
DCP48 calls (0.50)
cal917 calls (0.50)
filzathome calls (0.50)
briachek calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 8h, Ac ]
allend1 checks.
SteveKara bets (2)
DCP48 folds.
cal917 calls (2)
filzathome calls (2)
briachek raises (15.95) to 15.95
allend1 folds.
SteveKara calls (13.95)
cal917 calls (5.58)
cal917 is all-In.
filzathome folds.
Creating Main Pot with $29.49 with cal917
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
SteveKara bets (13.59)
SteveKara is all-In.
briachek calls (13.59)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]


Well, I figured the main decision is on the flop. If i push it, I'm pretty much too commited to stop, even on the turn although that was the worst card I could see.

[briachek]

anyone?

[teknipper]

First Hand:
If you dont want to call all in on the river without improving, then I fold. This depends on your read of the player? Would he bet with the non-nut hand? Would he bet a flush draw? The way I see it, without a read on the player, you don't beat any hand that would bet there and at best are spliting without much money in the pot. I fold.

Second Hand:
Once you pushed the flopped set, I go all the way. I would have doubted that someone flopped a set of aces there so I like the push. If he did hit the set, you pushes you all in right there. I would be worried about AK or A8 there, or Axxx that hits on the river. On the turn, you are getting 4-1 on your money. You have to be correct one time out of four for that to be even EV. At the PLO 50 games that I see, you will win at least 2 out of 4 from player betting the three of kinds without being full.

Tom

[briachek]

Hand 1 - I felt I was ahead unless he had AKQ which is a def possiblity but yes, i made the aggressive play and raised him all in. he called with bare JJ and missed the river and said something like "unbelievable" and left the table immediately.

Hand 2 - I won as one guy had nothing much and the guy that pushed into me on the turn had AQxx and missed his boat.

[m9man]

i wouldve played them as u did, which is probably bad for you...

in hand 1 - did he have a flush draw at all?

[briachek]