Right of first bluff? (PLO8 Mostly)

[TomG]

[Felonius_Monk]

[Phil153]

[TomG]

[Phil153]

[JDLush]

He did it to me once early on at the $100 table, here: (prolly bad fold by me anyway)

***** Hand History for Game 4330561649 *****
$100 PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Sunday, May 21, 22:49:00 ET 2006
Table BadbeatPhil's pvt table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: BadbeatPhil ( $208.93 )
Seat 5: YouGotScoopd ( $99.40 )
Seat 9: HakAllah ( $215.25 )
Seat 4: BurdTurglar ( $91 )
HakAllah posts small blind [$0.50].
BadbeatPhil posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BurdTurglar [ 2s 4c Ac Th ]
BurdTurglar raises [$3].
YouGotScoopd folds.
HakAllah calls [$2.50].
BadbeatPhil folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Kd, 3d ]
HakAllah checks.
BurdTurglar bets [$4].
HakAllah raises [$18.65].
BurdTurglar calls [$14.65].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
HakAllah bets [$42.30].
>You have options at briachek's pvt table 1 Table!.
balls
BurdTurglar folds.
HakAllah shows [ Qd, 2d, Kc, 3s ] a flush, king high.
HakAllah wins $84.60 from the main pot with a flush, king high.
There was no qualifying low hand.

Granted, this is not a total bluff as he has 2nd nut flush, but in the chat afterward it seemed clear that he would have done it with rags because of my flat call on the turn.

I was able to capitalize on it later and called him down a couple of times with so so hands when I smelled the same kind of bluff coming, however:

***** Hand History for Game 4330740681 *****
$100 PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Sunday, May 21, 23:09:15 ET 2006
Table BadbeatPhil's pvt table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: BadbeatPhil ( $239.03 )
Seat 5: YouGotScoopd ( $150.95 )
Seat 9: HakAllah ( $178.50 )
Seat 4: BurdTurglar ( $125.95 )
Seat 2: LeeLoo444 ( $95.60 )
HakAllah posts small blind [$0.50].
BadbeatPhil posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BurdTurglar [ Ac 4s 2c Th ]
LeeLoo444 folds.

BurdTurglar calls [$1].
YouGotScoopd calls [$1].

HakAllah calls [$0.50].
BadbeatPhil checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 9c, 2s ]

HakAllah bets [$3.80].
BadbeatPhil folds.
>You have options at briachek's pvt table 1 Table!.
BurdTurglar calls [$3.80].
YouGotScoopd folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]

HakAllah checks.
BurdTurglar bets [$7.06].
HakAllah calls [$7.06].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]

HakAllah bets [$24.47].
BurdTurglar calls [$24.47].
HakAllah shows [ Kc, 6h, 8c, Ts ] a pair of nines.
BurdTurglar shows [ Ac, 4s, 2c, Th ] two pairs, aces and nines.
BurdTurglar wins $72.66 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and nines.
There was no qualifying low hand.

In this one I deserved to get drawn out on, my turn check is weak, but I have a hard time getting aggressive with a hand like I had. I'm pretty sure that if I play more shorthanded higher stakes games I am going to have to learn that skill.

***** Hand History for Game 4330733948 *****
$100 PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Sunday, May 21, 23:08:33 ET 2006
Table BadbeatPhil's pvt table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: BadbeatPhil ( $242.03 )
Seat 5: YouGotScoopd ( $151.45 )
Seat 9: HakAllah ( $203.50 )
Seat 4: BurdTurglar ( $99.45 )
Seat 2: LeeLoo444 ( $95.60 )
YouGotScoopd posts small blind [$0.50].
HakAllah posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BurdTurglar [ Th Ah Jh Js ]
BadbeatPhil calls [$1].
LeeLoo444 folds.
BurdTurglar raises [$3].
YouGotScoopd folds.
HakAllah calls [$2].
BadbeatPhil calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Qh, 4d ]
HakAllah checks.
BadbeatPhil checks.
BurdTurglar bets [$7].
HakAllah calls [$7].
>You have options at YouGotScoopd's pvt table 1 Table!.
BadbeatPhil folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
HakAllah checks.
BurdTurglar checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
i hate that muthphucka
HakAllah bets [$15].
BurdTurglar calls [$15].
HakAllah shows [ Ks, Td, 9s, 4h ] two pairs, kings and fours.
BurdTurglar shows [ Th, Ah, Jh, Js ] a straight, ten to ace.
BurdTurglar wins $51.50 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
There was no qualifying low hand.

Same basic pattern tho - he will pounce if he smells weakness and more often than not will take the pot uncontested.

Cojones de pietro. Or something like that.

[briachek]

this kinda issue comes up in nlhe a lot. You bet a blank flop with KK, like Q72 rainbow, and you get one caller who is oop. turn is a blank, he checks, you check for pot control because he either has a set or a decent Q. River is blank and he bets pot, you are almost obligated to call it because you opened yourself up to be bet into by a bluff, a Q or a set. This way you get more money from a bluff, maybe a little less from a Q and save a lot of money vs a set.

Its harder for it to apply for omaha since its much easier to be outdrawn in omaha than holdem so giving the free turn card could be a big problem but maybe this helps figure out a good way to combat it.

[TomG]

[Kuso]

[briachek]

[TomG]

[TomG]

[briachek]

[Felonius_Monk]

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