Kenny G ? again

[tooters]

[tooters]

[iceman5]

[tooters]

[iceman5]

Here are my post flop aggression numbers


At Party Poker:

Flop.....5.39
Turn....4.08
River...2.67
Total...4.50

At Gaming Club

Flop....4.99
Turn...2.88
River...1.69
Total...3.54

Thats pretty damned aggressive i think.

[k3nt]

[MVPSPORTS]

[Mad Genius]

k3nt


Your question is a bit too broad to answer successfully. In general, consider several things, including your own table image, your opponent's table image, the particular texture of the flop (there is a big difference between a 223r flop and a 789 two-tone flop), as well as the ability of your hand to improve. Did you flop a gutshot? Will an ace or a king complete straight draws? etc.

Regardless of all that, as a general rule you should fold your unimproved AK when you get raised. If you feel like your opponent is overly aggressive then occasionally you could play back at him but investing a good portion of your stack with A-high is generally not a good idea. Raising preflop and betting the flop are both extreme signs of strength and the fact that your opponent still raises you should usually mean that he's beating your AK.

And lastly, you should try checking a missed AK sometimes. If the board is very non-threatening then you could very well be ahead so there shouldn't be anything wrong with checking.

[MVPSPORTS]

WooHoo... thats kinda what I said... guess I'm not as dumb as I thought...

[kennyg]

tooters

1. the 10% accounts for if i get 3-4 callers and i hit nothing...or if I'm up against a TOTAL moron calling station and i have nothing.

2. i don't have the numbers. i haven't been able to get hand histories since i started playing on 1/2.

3. not often, but i don't always check. They will fold to that bet fairly often.. and plus it makes the good players want to call you less; because they don't know if you will fire again or not. but still i bet it rarely if i'm not drawing to anything.

However..I will fire a bet on the turn if I have outs. A flush or a straight draw is certainly good enough to bet out on...though I don't with two overs becuase a lot of times you hit that card and you're dead.

4. thats why i occasionley bet again on the turn and I always bet again when I have strong outs. They don't seem to be catching on. It works a lot better on 1/2 then .50/1.00 BTW

5. I always bet close to the pot or a certain percentage of the pot when I hit or not. I don't want players to be able to identify by my betting patterns if I've hit my hand or not.

[k3nt]

Mad Genius: Thanks for your response!

A problem, though. If you check out of position with an AK that missed, do you fold to any decent-sized bet or do you call? I know, I know, it depends on stack size, player images, and all that. But in general, say it's a half-pot bet from them, I feel totally in the dark.

This is why I almost always bet out with my unimproved AK. Say someone called my PF raise with 76s and just caught bottom pair. If I bet, they will usually fold. But if I check, then they bet, and I fold. Ugh.

[Mad Genius]

I will usually fold, although if my opponent and I know each other well and he respects my play a lot, I may occasionally checkraise, representing a big pair. However, I will NEVER bluff on a draw-heavy board where my opponent is likely to have a big draw or have hit otherwise.

[Nortonesque]

[k3nt]

Having AK problems again.

Last night I was playing against a guy I play with often. He's aggressive, I'm aggressive -- and we both know it about each other. He is often sitting at the $20 tables with $100 or more. He plays long sessions and usually wins. I've talked with him and he says he's planning on moving up to the $50 tables but not until he has $1500 in bankroll, and he's getting close. Anyway, this guy has something of a clue about the game, to say the least.

I get AK in ep, raise, one other guy calls, then Mr. Aggressive calls. Flop comes all undercards. I check, other guy checks, and of course Mr. A. bets out most of the pot and I have to fold. The only way to have a chance now is to check-raise which would cost way too much. Other guy folds and it's another free pot for Mr. A. who could have had any two cards.

I don't know. Maybe by showing that I can check occasionally he'll respect it more when I bet. But maybe not. He's pretty smart and we play together pretty regularly.

Put it this way. I know for a fact that when I'm first to act after I preflop raise, and I check it to him, 100% of the time he will bet 3/4 pot to full pot. In this circumstance, isn't it best to always bet the flop myself? Or should I start checking to him only when I have a good hand, and betting when I don't? Hmm....

I suppose what I really should do is make sure I sit down so I have position on him most of the time instead of vice-versa.

Thoughts, anybody? (P.S.: sorry to hijack your thread, tooters.)

[kennyg]

lol. I bet the flop 90% of the time. I bet it in your situation as well. By checking you give yourself 0 chance to win the hand.