Bluff peddling

[Stoneburg]

Good spots to bluff?

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
7 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $34.92
UTG+1: $45.40
MP1: $29
CO: $26.25
Button: $29.65
SB: $43.79
Hero: $25.75

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls $0.6 (pot was $2.05).

Flop: ($2.65, 3 players)
Hero bets $2.55, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: ($10.3, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $2.52, Hero calls $2.52 (pot was $12.82), UTG calls.

River: ($17.86, 3 players)
Hero bets $17.01



Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
10 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $20.15
UTG+1: $36.40
UTG+2: $39.30
Hero: $28.80
MP2: $92.24
MP3: $9.69
CO: $47.50
Button: $54.37
SB: $43.29
BB: $23.45

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, [color=#cc0000]UTG+2 raises to $0.75, Hero calls $1 (pot was $1.6), MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: ($4.6, 6 players)
BB bets $0.25, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls $0.25 (pot was $5.6), MP3 calls.

Turn: ($6.1, 6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($6.1, 6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, UTG+2 calls, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises to $8.35

[stickdude]

Hand 1 - no
Hand 2 - no

Why, you ask??

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25

Actually, hand 2 might not be a bad spot with that "please take the pot away from me" minbet on the river - if you were last to act. You're still going to be called by anyone who actually has a 5, even if they don't have a FH.

[briachek]

Hand 1 - fold preflop. that hand is garbage. a bare ace bluff works only against very good opponents which you don't often find at that level.

hand 2 - its not worth the price because its not gonna work often enough. Don't be looking to bluff this low.

[stickdude]

[Kuso]

[Stoneburg]

Please, to everyone, if your ONLY contribution will be to point out that it is PLO $25 either pretend it is a higher limit or don't bother.

I don't think nut peddling is the maximum EV you can get out of this level. I bluff very rarely, but I am definetely making money doing it. Hell, some days I make more on my bluffs than my actual hands.

[stickdude]

[Kuso]

[briachek]

[Felonius_Monk]

I think unless you're up against calling stations both are probably +ev spots to bluff. Hand 1 is tough because the bare ace bluff is on a runner-runner so he's less likely to swallow it (i.e. if he has a lower flush he's perhaps more likely to call, or even a straight with a 3) but his play so far doesn't convince me he necessarily has either of those things so he's probably..... Ah, I just noticed you were up against two opponents.... in that case I probably don't try it. And that's a horrible call preflop, truly horrible. I assume you have a 100% VPIP if you call that hand? OOP and against a raiser, ugh.

Hand 2 looks like a spot where they're not going to call, though.

[Stoneburg]

Hand #1
Yeah that preflop call seems terribly loose when I look at it. I went through the DB and it turns out the raiser was a LAG who raised 15% preflop and liked to CB and float, I was probably a bit sick of him (but shouldn't be calling OOP either way).

Hand #2
I really doubt I will be called 50% of the time or more. Those minibets are either extremely stupid bluffs or blocking bets made by some stupidly weak hand like an over pair or top-and-bottom.

One of the reasons I am looking for good spots to bluff is that I am NOT getting called on the river often enough when I am valuebetting. People are definetely calling less than 50% of my bets on the river, more like 20-25%, so I would be giving up a lot of EV if I didn't start bluffing.

I'd say my bluffs get called about a 25-35% of the time. When I say I sometimes make more on bluffs than on made hands it's for those sessions where no draws hit and you always have to fold the turn/river to the opponent, and without the bluffs you'd be in the red.

I also find that people tend to be calling stations *until* the river. They will chase a LOT of draws that they shouldn't be chasing but will pretty often give up on the river. Of course there are monkeys that can't let go of any two-pair but they tend to bust so quickly that they don't stick around long, the ones that fold to the big river bets tend to survive much longer.

And I don't mean to sound snippy, but I've already heard the "It's low stakes just nut peddle" argument a lot of times so I am aware that it is the common opinion. And sure, it is +EV and low variance but I happen to think that:
1. It isn't optimal. You're leaving money on the table.
2. If I just nut peddle I won't get better and be able to move up in levels.

Either way I really appreciate the feedback (and yes, of course I won both hands )

[Kuso]

[Xaston]

[JDLush]

[briachek]