Question PLO

[WildBillHickok]

Ciaffone in his book said you'll have high variance...guess he meant your bankroll.
Someone else said, maybe some online article, you put up little money or little at risk to win alot.
I'm new at this, but seems Ciaffone would be right. Am i missing something?

Ok, 2 questions...how important is bluffing at .50/1.00 tables? Seems like people are willing to pay you off anyway...so why ever bluff?

Thanks for answers to a newbie at PLO... i'm no longer seeing imaginary full houses, woo hoo.

[Ojingo]

[Jimmyjohn]

[Felonius_Monk]

I think you need a bigger BR for PLO than you do for a similr size NL game, intuitively. I've never had a downswing of more than about 7 or 8 buyins that I can recall in either game but I suspect I've maybe just been fairly lucky in that regard and probably decent game selection helps.

[mullet]

the dutch plo cash pro rolf slotboom has said that his biggest downswing was 30 buy-ins, and he is a successful player. mind you he plays in big games so the variance there is much higher probably.

[WildBillHickok]

Thx for the replies...Has anyone else gone from playing HE to Omaha and are glad they made the switch? And now wouldn't go back to HE?

[Jimmyjohn]

[WildBillHickok]

[Kuso]

[Kuso]

[WildBillHickok]

It seemed too loose, but at .05/.10 table where 6-7 see the flop...
What's a good tight %, 25-30%?

[Felonius_Monk]

[WildBillHickok]

[Felonius_Monk]

[Aisthesis]

Well, my own experience is simply distorted because I'm just better at NLHE than at PLO. But I think one can also extrapolate a bit from a pretty established solid PLO player such as Monk, who does have downswings of as much as 7 or 8 buy-ins.

I have absolutely NEVER had a run that bad in NLHE. Losing even 2 buy-ins in that game is a true horror story for me that very rarely happens, and I think I may have even been down 3 once or twice, but that's the absolute worst.

In PLO you're dealing with many more 60-40 situations, and I think good players typically don't shy away from them--obviously preferring to be on the 60 end of it, but not worrying horribly about being on the 40. Anyhow, these are very coinflippish, whereas in NLHE a tight player almost always is a very big favorite, and at least speaking for myself, throwing in some big semi-bluffs in the coinflippish type situations, but these are maybe 25% of big bets. In PLO the percentage of big bets on coinflips is much higher, and it's easy to have a string of those go the wrong way.

Also, just speaking from my own experiences, it feels like the phases where you're running cold or hot are more extreme, and I find it significantly more difficult to stay objective during each of these as a result.

A bit off topic, but one thing I noticed as being VERY important in Ciaffone is making sure you're on the correct end of overlays (such as set over set, big flush over little flush, overfull vs. underfull). I think being on the wrong end of a 60-40 isn't a big problem (but does lead to major variance), but you should simply never be drawing to a 1- or 2-outer in a big pot.