Blind BB's won per hand (or loss as the case will be)

[piersmajestyk]

[MecosKing]

Piers-

I may be a muppet for asking this but, how do you get this stat? Im curious about mine, and Im still not totally PT savvy i guess.

[piersmajestyk]

[Nortonesque]

Interesting -- I'm at -0.21 since I started defending more liberally, but over all my limit play I'm still at -0.21.

[MecosKing]

Yo piers--

Tough run today at the 10 game. Dontcha hate it when theres one godawful muppet that everyones going after and you just cant seem to get anything going? I of course, was card rackin, luck sackin, and chip stackin.

I have been giving considerable thought to your 'any two' policy- and before i come to any conclusions, i just wanna make sure that we are looking at the same numbers...I go to the 'position' tab and look at my BB/hand from the big blind. You mention HEADS UP pots played. I dont think i filtered those out. Im only about -.13 BB/hand from the big blind, but i dunno if heads up makes a difference? Am i looking at the right $?

[piersmajestyk]

If you are only -0.13 BB/hand from the BB overall that is pretty good but then again I don't know really how much playing short handed will affect your numbers compared to full ring. I just don't have sufficient data from my short handed games to give some comparision for you.

After we spoke at the table if you still need help in anything with PT just let me know and I will try to write out a flow chart for you.

And yeah the 1020 game did suck today. That guy was terrible just couldn't manage anything against him and the other cats just couldn't miss against me.

[Calaziar]

From earlier today: I was new to the table but on the second pass Villiain decided to steal again. Villiain isn't in my database and I have no idea how/what he plays other than the 9-10 previous hands. What I'm trying to say is I'm going completely on 'gut' here and when it comes to 'logical' activities like poker the gut is often a moron. My plan is simple; I'm going to represent the biggest hand I can get away with and show down the cards. If I lose it's all 'Advertising budget'. It's probably a huge -EV play and any long term benefits are completely 'pschologically dependent.' I may get more action in the blinds rather than the less action I'm hoping for, for example. It's also a huge variance play as I could easily have lost more than I made because I'd have to 'fire another barrel' to ensure its effectiveness.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
10 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $82
UTG+1: $191
UTG+2: $48.50
MP1: $95.50
MP2: $55.50
MP3: $122.50
CO: $123
Button: $115
badknight111: $48
BB: $89

Pre-flop: (10 players) badknight111 is SB with :7s :ac
6 folds, CO raises, Button folds, badknight111 3-bets, BB folds, CO caps, badknight111 calls.

Flop: :5c :qd :4c (9SB, 2 players)
badknight111 checks, CO bets, badknight111 raises, CO 3-bets, badknight111 calls.

Turn: :tc (7.5BB, 2 players)
badknight111 bets, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to badknight111.

Results:
Final pot: 7.5BB
badknight111 shows 7s Ac

So why post this hand? I think despite the result it was badly played.

I want to talk about the high variance this type of play entails. If you give me TP or any pair on the flop it would still be played the same way. It would almost have to be. That is the 'blessing/curse' of HU play. It is a big crapshoot and when done from the blinds with substandard hands it becomes an even bigger crapshoot. Unless you are up against the SB when you are the BB you will never have position. Your 'reads' of your opponents' hands become guesses and deductive hand readers are hampered because (at least at the Party Monster 2/4 tables) everyone raises either the flop or the turn or both HU and CR bluffs/semibluffs are common as well. I think as the limits go up it becomes much more 'cost-effective' to take these risks or take them more often. If you play at limits below 5/10 the value of blind stealing vs. the rake is problematic as well. IMO when you play below 1/2 you are really losing alot of your equity just because the rake will be so high compared to pot size.

By playing the template from SSHE I have these numbers for all hands

BB: -0.28
SB: -0.16

These are based on 3k+ hands at Party 95%+ at 2/4.

I hope my tone here doesn't lead anyone to think that I'm recommending the above play/methods. If I was sure I was 'correct' I would chuckle silently at the thread on my way to the bank. I don't know whether anything I'm saying has any real merit. I do hope we can get some discussion/feedback about the high variance involved with much of blind defence. I can understand why someone with VPIP<15% might be more willing to accept this variance than someone who plays 'looser'. I also understand that some of the benefits of aggressive blind defence aren't immediately apparent in the 'stats'. It is certainly a 'victory' to just see a few more unraised flops.

[antneye]

[Calaziar]

[antneye]