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3 hands, 3 reads. Thoughts? ($50 NL FR)

Postby k3nt » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:33 pm

All 3 hands at $50 NL at Ongame. All happened within about 45 minutes, but at 3 different tables. All were Saturday night. The tables had a lot of fairly crazy betting but also a lot of terribly weak play.

#1. I have never seen Villain before. A few minutes earlier, Villain minraised from EMP preflop, minbet the flop as an unbelievably weak continuation bet, and it was checked down after. Villain showed down [Ah][2h] missing. I have Villain down as a loose and strange raiser, but that's based only on that one hand.

Villain raises to $1.50 (3xBB) in MP. A caller or two, and I reraise to $5.50 from the BB with QQ. All fold except Villain, who thinks and calls.

Flop [Tc][8h][6c]. I bet pot, Villain thinks and calls.
Turn [2h]. I push, which is about a pot sized bet.


#2. This Villain I have seen previously. Several times. I have in my notes "Played for it all with 66 missing" and several similar notes. About 10 minutes previous to this hand, Villain REraised preflop then called a push against a short stack, and showed down A9. But he always rebuys full and often has a big stack. He's obviously not bluffing all the time.

I am in the BB again with QQ. Villain is OTB. Someone calls UTG, UTG+1 raises to $1. 2 calls then Villain reraises to 6x ($3). I think/hope the Villain is full of crap, but I decide to flat call and look for an undercard flop. Several other callers.

Pot is about $12. Flop is 865 rainbow. Checks to Villain who throws out a $4 bet into the $12 pot. I raise to $12, everybody folds, Villain pushes. About $35 to call. Fold or call?


#3. History with this Villain happened about ten minutes before. The previous hand went like this. I raised 5x with AK from the BB after 2 limpers, both limpers called. Flop came 885, I figure that flop probably didn't hit anybody and throw out a CB of about 3/4 of the pot, they both called. Turn is a 4 and I check, the Villain bets $5 into the $20ish pot, other guy folds, and I think and decide to fold because his bet looks like it wants a call and I have anywhere from 0 to 6 outs and am OOP. I think the Villain may think I'm weak and can be floated / pushed around.

In the BB again, 2 limpers again, and I raise to 5x again with [Ad][Kd]. Both call.

Pot $8ish. Flop is Q74 with one diamond. I CB, he calls quickly, other guy folds.

Pot $20ish. Turn is [8d]. Pot is $20. I throw out a weak bet of $5 hoping to see another cheap card and hoping he's still floating me with not much. Villain thinks and flat calls again.

River is [3d]. I caught my miracle nuts. Putting the Villain on a float with very little, I decide to check and hope he tries to steal so I can CRAI.


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Postby ua1176 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:37 am

hand 1: well played

hand 2: fold to push. i know he's a bluffer but he just pulled the classic donk move with a big hand. if you can't beat AA here then you should fold.

hand 3: based on your read i would check turn, planning to CR all in if he bets. your play is apparently effective against this villain but only works if villain's not paying attention to anything.
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Postby Zmej » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:58 am

Hand1. I like.
Hand2. He either has a set or AA, his minbet-AI, shows a big hand. Fold.
Hand3. I like a big check raise on turn. As played I would open push river sometimes.
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Postby Yenool » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:32 am

Holdem Newbie...
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:30 am

Hand 1 - fine...

Hand 2 - reraise PF... Raise more on the flop... Last time you saw him reraise he had A9... I don't really see a reason to think youre behind here...

Hand 3 - pushy pushy... Pushin the nuts is hella cool, and will get paid off an amazing amount of the time... No way he can put you on a RR FD...
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Postby T-Rod » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:28 am

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Postby shamdonk » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:27 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby bobby » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:25 pm

"lucky fools do not bear the slightest suspicion that they may be lucky fools"
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Postby k3nt » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:23 pm

Thanks to all for the feedback. Good stuff.

Results.

#1: He flips KK. Ugh.

#2: Everybody got this one correct except for MVP and myself. I ignored my own rules: "weak then strong = monster" and "reraise preflop = monster" and instead went with my read that he was usually full of crap. I called and got shown AA. Double ugh.

#3: My read was 100% correct on this one, as he bet the full $30 into the $30 pot and then called my CR for his last 6 bucks, and showed down [As][Ks]. But I agree with a lot of you that I got lucky on this one.
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Postby laynegt » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:06 pm

these crazy types, i don't think you should really sweat these types of hands/decisions...sometimes they have it, but most of the time they're just playing sort of random tourney-ish poker.

1) well-played; just bad luck
2) considering your notes, i would shrug and call. QQ beats a lot of what he could have. don't forget you just called pf...and the fact he often has a big stack shouldn't scare you - even a broken clock is right twice a day.
3) if he had more money behind, i would definitely consider a c/r to get it all in. but w/ only ~pot behind, i would probably just push.
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