KK...UGH

[iceman5]

$5/$10 6 max.....

1st...Heres a previous hand with villain who is 40 / 22 but strangely enough only goes to showdown 18% in this 400 hand sample.

He raises to $30. I call in the SB with TT. I might reraise this but decided not to this time.

Pot $70. Flop [9h][3s]. I check, he bets $50. I check raise to $150 which he calls.
Pot $370. Turn . I bet $270 and he raises all in to $600. I call.

He had [6h] and hit his kicker.

Not too much later.

UTG limps, I raise to $50 with [Kh]. I get called by the SB, same villain who is the BB and UTG. I now have $1500 and BB villain has me covered. UTG has $100. SB is no factor.

Pot $200. Flop [6s][4s]. Blinds check. UTG bets $30. I raise to $180. SB folds, BB villain cold calls and UTG calls all in

Pot $563. Turn . BB checks, UTG is all in. I bet $300 and BB check raises all in. Call or fold?

[Stelvask]

Given the play on the last hand, this definatly looks like a call. Yes, he could have a weird two pair, or even the outside chance at a set or 75, but i think you're looking at somtehing like Jxcc or 8xcc.

still, it's definatly a tough call, though being at 6-max i think it becomes a bit easier.

I just dont' see what he can have that's ahead of you after how much he overvalued his 76 on the other hand.

[tommyhawk]

[iceman5]

The difference is that this time his check raise is another $1000 to me

[tommyhawk]

[T-Rod]

[Zmej]

[Aisthesis]

If the analogy holds to last hand, I put him on 8s7s, which has a LOT of outs (16 if I'm counting right) but also to which you're ahead.

On the other hand, it's a very big bet, he could have a made straight after the previous history of your having made the call, or he could have a set. I'm a little prejudiced toward straighting possibilities, though, in light of the previous hand.

I lean toward folding this against that range, as you're drawing completely dead to several hands in the mix and I'm not sure you're a big enough favorite over the others to warrant that big a call (should be over $1,000, right?). QQ is also the only overpair you beat, but I guess he probably would've re-raised that PF.

I think in order to call, I'd have to have a read that he won't play made hands this aggressively. Even if he's still drawing a lot of the time, I think he has quite a few outs on most of those and the fair number of made hands that beat you give you only between 0 (made straight) and 2 (set) outs to catch up.

[Aisthesis]

To Stel: I don't think that 76s was quite as crazy as it might look, although he's drawing pretty thin to a set. To any 1 pair hand that's ahead, though, he's not in horrible shape on the flop and could also be putting ice on a big spade draw, to which he's ahead. And on the turn he gains quite a few outs, too.

Not to say it isn't a lot more aggressive than I'd personally be comfortable with, but, despite being only second pair, he has a lot of outs unless ice is sitting on something really big.

At 40/22, he's keeping a lot more than SCs, pairs and premium hands to raises, making 75 not unlikely. And there are also probably some two pair hands in the mix, to which ice is going to have only 5 outs.

I mean, if I knew for a fact that he had 87s with the spade draw, I'd have to call. But KK is not so far ahead of that hand that I'd be willing to draw dead or virtually dead against a decent number of others.

[Aisthesis]

Is villain a winning player in your database?

Despite his looseness, he seems to me to be pretty tough--assuming you haven't also seen him get completely crazy. He does play these weird kind of draws very strongly, and I think that's a tough opponent to beat, actually, probably particularly so in 6max.

[k3nt]

[greggabe]

[Aisthesis]

I like k3nt's line of checking behind on the turn--not sure exactly whether I'll call absolutely ANY river, but certainly some for a reasonable bet. If he bets $300-$400 on the river and you call, while you did give a free card and he may hit his draw, you still don't lose any more than you would have by betting the turn.

I think I'll probably just lay down if the spade hits, though. What I like about these situations is that with the short-stack all-in, you know you're going to see his hand even if you fold--although you wouldn't know that he was going to do a repeat performance of the betting but with deeper stacks.

[iceman5]

Maybe checking the turn is better, but after the 76s hand and a couple other hands where I saw him with suited connectors and things like that, I thought there was a good chance he was drawing to the flush.

I folded to his CRAI. He had [7s] and had a str8 flush draw which he missed. UTG had [Js] and I wouldve won the whole pot.

The guy twice later raised with 77 and then bet every street on QxxTx type boards. He likes to play big pots with very marginal hands so I guess Im going to have to go to war with him.

[k3nt]