How many hands in NL before you get a realistic $hr winrate?

[KikoSanchez]

Just curious how many hands should be played at a NL level before you can start to get a consistent & realistic gauge of your hourly winrate. 30,000, 40,000 hands?
Btw, what is considered an average bb/hr winrate? Also, is a PTBB simply (bb*2)?

[DoctorHandles]

50,000ish, average player loses money so it'd be negative, and yes it's bb x 2

[KikoSanchez]

Lol, yes the average player would definetly be -$, but what is the NL equivalent to the old 1 bb/hr stat? 5 ptbb/hr? More?

[DoctorHandles]

I think it really depends on the stake, someone asked that a while ago and I think a bunch of people told him you can get up to 10BB/100 at micro stakes but once you get to higher stakes 4bb/100 is incredibly good.

Also it depends on how many tables you're playing at once.