50 NL ...How can I play this better?

[Thxlbx]

Looking at the results, it looks good, but I just feel I did not play it that well. I put him on nothing or bottom pair trying to steal, but when hit bet on the turn, I had doubts, but felt like I was committed to the hand. Did I let my aggression get away from me, should I have folded way earlier? Since I had put him on nothing, should I have pushed on the turn? I just feel like I misplayed it and got lucky on the river.


Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
8 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $49
UTG+1: $2.75
MP1: $13.75
MP2: $45.25
CO: $79.55
Button: $64.50
SB: $37.50
Hero: $66.85

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $1, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button raises to $5, Hero raises to $10.5, Button calls.

Turn: ($23.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button raises to $40, Hero calls.

River: ($103.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $14.85, Button calls all-in $12.5.
Uncalled bets: $2.35 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $103.75
Button lost 64.50 shows 6d Kc
Hero bet 66.85 collected 131.10 net 64.25 shows Qc 3d

[Pozzo]

Why did you min-raise out of the BB? That is hideous. You're 100% guaranteed to be called and you're playing a trash hand OOP.

Check in the BB and check/fold to his flop bet.

As played, fold to his flop raise. If you're going to 3-bet him, it's need to be a real raise, not a min raise.

Do not push turn.

[MacAnthony]

You have learned well young padawan.

forum/viewtopic.php?p=143710#143710

[FishAtWrk]

[Pozzo]

[T-Rod]

[Yenool]

Sorry, but this hand is horrible.

No way should you be minimum raising a bad hand from the big blind once a MP player has called along with the button. Your raise preflop does nothing but make the pot bigger with a bad hand!

I can understand you want to 'defend' your blind every now and then, showdown a trashy blind hand to win a nice pot so that people get the messege that your blind isn't up for grabs, but this is just stupid.

The only time I want to play a hand in the big blind is when I can be HEADS UP against the small blind (IE: with position), then I find myself calling raises with almost anything and also raising with anything because I feel with position you can minimize loses and win a big pot with a surprise hand.

As it happens the button was playing exactly that type of game, he was using his position to try and out-play you..... which is exactly why you should have raised more preflop (IE $3.00) or check-folded and allowed him to steal.

The whole hand stinks after that as well, you should have folded to his minimum re-raise on the flop, he should have folded to your turn bet** and you should have folded again to his minimum raise on the turn!

** Which obviously shows this was definately NOT the player to make this type of play against anyway. away with it
!
You lucked out on the river. You were behind all the way...

If you wanna try this type of move I suggest playing some low-buyin short handed sit and go tournaments....blow off steam for fun and practice new things in your game cheaply.

[emmasdad]

MacAnthony and I are responsible for some of this. Thxlbx was playing like 11/2 pre-flop and getting no action. We encouraged him to be more aggressive, without elaborating sufficiently. I think we fixed that a little bit since seeing this hand. At least he will no longer suffer from a lack of action.

(BTW, I was seated at the table for this hand, and no I was not MP2).

[MacAnthony]

Some IRC chat on this:

<emmasdad> forum/viewtopic.php?t=18155
<emmasdad> i am speachless thxlbx
<MacAnthony> that is awesome
<emmasdad> i just can't figure out who played that hand worse
<Thxlbx> was i that bad?
<Thxlbx> i just got carried away with the aggression i think
<EscapePlan9> i really dont get the turn play...
<EscapePlan9> you only called the re-raise... with only $10 left
<EscapePlan9> well... $15
<EscapePlan9> MAALLIN that turn so you can donk him
<Thxlbx> yeah, i should have just pushed...i know i fucked up the turn...i just kinda froze up i think
<EscapePlan9> well yea you played every street bad IMO
<EscapePlan9> actually, the flop bet-raise is fine against weaker opponents
<EscapePlan9> but your re-raise FORCED him to call
<EscapePlan9> min-raised it?
<EscapePlan9> you donk
<emmasdad> that isn';t a minraise
<EscapePlan9> he had to call $5 into a $20 pot
<EscapePlan9> from 5 to 10.5
<emmasdad> the previous raise was 2.50, not 5
<emmasdad> the 3 bet was too small, but it was not a minraise
<EscapePlan9> 2.5 -> 5 -> 10
<EscapePlan9> he min-raised you
<EscapePlan9> you min-raised him back
<emmasdad> ugh
<MacAnthony> no, minreraise would have been 7.50
<MacAnthony> emmasdad is right
<Thxlbx> i bet 2.50 into a 2.75 pot, when I re raised i was trying to bet the size of the total pot..2.75+2.50+5
<emmasdad> a minraise would be 2.5 -> 5 -> 7.5
<Thxlbx> should i have raised more?
<emmasdad> yes you should have raised more
<MacAnthony> yes, on several occassions
<emmasdad> or folded
<MacAnthony> totally
<MacAnthony> when you have air, you don't want to give them odds to call
<emmasdad> when you make a pot sized bet, you need to also double the size of the prior raise
<emmasdad> a raise to 17 would have been good
<MacAnthony> 3 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $1, MP2 folds, Button calls.
<MacAnthony> how does the SB fold twice?
<EscapePlan9> bah. i call it a min-raise anyways cuz the raise amount suckeddd
<MacAnthony> you shoulda made it like 2.50 or 3 to go preflop
<emmasdad> ^yes
<emmasdad> the rest of the hand plays very differently if you make a decent raise preflop or decent 3-bet on flop
<MacAnthony> raising preflop is good, minraising preflop without a good reason is bad
<EscapePlan9> and thx... at those stakes, you can easily beat these donks without playing fancy like there
<EscapePlan9> these players gladly pay off your value bets all over the place
<MacAnthony> that was the problem EscapePlan9
<MacAnthony> he wasn't getting paid
<MacAnthony> emmasdad and I gave him some advise
<MacAnthony> advice
<emmasdad> he was playing 11/2
<emmasdad> and never getting action
<Thxlbx> yeah, i got carried away with the aggressive bit on this hand
<EscapePlan9> yea...
<Thxlbx> my last two sessions my vpip is now 24..so i probably bet a little too much?
<MacAnthony> not necessarily, just do a better job when you do it
<MacAnthony> raise more and in position
<MacAnthony> more as in amount, not frequency
<Thxlbx> most of my raises, i have been first in, so i was betting 3X bb
<Thxlbx> if there is a limper or two, then I was doing 2-2.50
<MacAnthony> in the BB is a bad place to make these moves cause you are OOP
<MacAnthony> what we told you will get you more action, you don't want action OOP
<Thxlbx> yeah, i dont know why I raised there, I thought my opponent was weak I guess..have been trying to raise mainly from the cutoff and the button
<MacAnthony> that's fine to make the move if you sence weakness, you just need to give them a reason to want to fold, not call
* Thxlbx nods
<Thxlbx> so i either should have had the balls to raise to like 3-4 bucks and give him a reason to fold, or should have folded myself
<MacAnthony> or checked in this case
<MacAnthony> yes
<Thxlbx> okay...note to self..dont fuck up like that again
<Thxlbx> thanks for setting me straight
<MacAnthony> or if you do fuck up like that again, make sure you suck out

[Yenool]

[Stoneburg]

This hand just won the "Worst Played Hand of the Year" award.

IT'S NOT EVEN BLIND DEFENSE!! NOBODY WAS ATTACKING YOUR BLIND!!

[KikoSanchez]

[Stoneburg]

[MacAnthony]

[Thxlbx]