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Postby kennyg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:28 am

Opponent is at his first round at the table. Never seen him before. He has a full stack. At the time.. i thought i did too, which is why this got screwed up.

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Blinds: $5/$10
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $1068.48
Hero: $865.00
CO: $1137.00
Button: $1390.50
SB: $1042.00
BB: $3396.41

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with [Kd] [Kc]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $35, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: [Th] [4s] [9d] ($115, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $80, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: [7h] ($275, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $180, Hero calls.

River: [9c] ($635, 2 players)
Hero bets $300,


CO raises to $600, Hero calls all-in $270.
Uncalled bets: $30 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $1775


I bet the $300 as a blocking/value bet. The problem was.. when I made the bet i thought had 400+ left behind, and folding to a raise would be fairly easy. However, it was only 270 more now. Remember I've never seen this guy before. i had like 3 hands on him in GT+
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Postby Xaston » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:54 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby kennyg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:56 am

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Postby Xaston » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:00 am

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Postby Zmej » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:17 am

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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:37 am

This is the problem with the blocking bet on the river - it builds the pot and commits yourself. Check and fold to a push, but call up to 300 - save yourself that 270.
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Postby kennyg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:37 pm

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Postby kennyg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:37 pm

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Postby ua1176 » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:10 pm

kenny- why not lead turn for $200 or so? i think you still get value from JJ, T-x, you charge QJ, etc etc etc.

and you have a much easier fold when he raises the turn with his set.

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Postby Stelvask » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:34 am

since no ones said this, i'll mention it.

I think you got yourself in trouble here by checking the turn OOP. this is 6-max, so his range of hands should be going up here.

I think you need to bet ~$225 on the turn, fold to a raise, and check call the river if he calls. This gives you more of an opportunity to define his hand and figure out if you indeed are still ahead, while still charging hands like QJ a good price.

I run into this problem a lot when i'm playing big pairs OOP against full stacks, a lot of time i just clam up on the turn and hope to keep the pot small, but anyone with any sense will bet here and put me to a test - and if i just smooth call and check the river, if they're bold (or want a call) i'll face a big bet at the river and have no way of telling if i'm ahead in the hand or if i've been drawing slim since the flop.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:59 am

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:35 am

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Postby kennyg » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:32 am

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