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Postby shamdonk » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:47 am

PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ks], [8h], [Ac], [6h].
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) [Jc], [Kh], [4s] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) [5h] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (7.75 BB) [7h] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks 8h Ac 6h (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, A | High: flush, king high).
MP has Jd 4h 2c 7c (High: two pair, jacks and sevens).
Button has Kd Ad 5c 7d (High: two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.75 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (8 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Jh], [8d], [4d], [Ad].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) [8s], [Jc], [6h] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) [5s] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (6.50 BB) [9d] (3 players)

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG doesn't show.
Hero has Jh 8d 4d Ad (Low: 8, 6, 5, 4, A | High: two pair, jacks and eights).
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 6.50 BB.


PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [9d], [Ad], [Ac], [4c].
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [4h], [5s], [7d] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [Qs] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) [6h] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 6d Qc 6c 2h (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, 2 | High: three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has 9d Ad Ac 4c (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, A | High: one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 3 BB. Hero wins 3 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [9d], [Ad], [Ac], [4c].
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [4h], [5s], [7d] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [Qs] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) [6h] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 6d Qc 6c 2h (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, 2 | High: three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has 9d Ad Ac 4c (Low: 7, 6, 5, 4, A | High: one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 3 BB. Hero wins 3 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (4 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [9s], [Jh], [Ah], [3h].
1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [6h], [9c], [Kh] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [Qc] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) [6s] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins 8.50 BB.




PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (4 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Kd], [Ts], [9c], [Qh].
1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) [Jh], [7d], [As] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) [5d] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) [Ks] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ts 9c Qh (High: straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.50 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (4 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Ac], [Th], [5c], [Td].
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) [Ah], [4s], [4d] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) [4c] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) [Ad] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Th 5c Td (High: full house, aces full of fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [4h], [Qh], [Ad], [Kc].
3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) [8h], [As], [4s] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) [7s] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (2.50 BB) [Ts] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 4h Qh Ad Kc (High: two pair, aces and fours).
Button has 4c 2d 5d Ks (Low: 7, 5, 4, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins 4.50 BB.




PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is MP with [7d], [As], [Ks], [Ac].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) [Qh], [Js], [Qd] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) [8d] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) [4c] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ah 5h Jh 9h (High: two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has 7d As Ks Ac (High: two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.25 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is MP with [7d], [As], [Ks], [Ac].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) [Qh], [Js], [Qd] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) [8d] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) [4c] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ah 5h Jh 9h (High: two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has 7d As Ks Ac (High: two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.25 BB.




PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [3h], [2c], [4d], [Jh].
Hero calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) [8s], [4h], [3d] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [6s] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) [9s] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qs 2s 7h 8h (Low: 7, 6, 4, 3, 2 | High: flush, queen high).
Hero has 3h 2c 4d Jh (Low: 8, 6, 4, 3, 2 | High: two pair, fours and threes).
SB has 4c 8c 2h Tc (Low: 8, 6, 4, 3, 2 | High: two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: BB wins 7.50 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (5 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ah], [Qc], [2c], [3c].
2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [9h], [Qd], [Jc] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [8c] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) [5d] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ts 6c 2d 9s (High: straight, queen high).
Hero has Ah Qc 2c 3c (High: one pair, queens).
Outcome: SB wins 6 BB.




PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (5 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [As], [9c], [5h], [Th].
2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [9s], [Td], [Ad] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [Kc] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. SB wins 7.50 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (10 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [3s], [Qd], [2c], [Ac].
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) [3d], [Qs], [9d] (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) [6h] (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (9.25 BB) [Td] (3 players)
MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP3 has 2d Ah 5h 7d (High: flush, ten high).
CO has Ad 2h Kd 7c (High: flush, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins 11.25 BB.



PokerStars 2/4 Omaha/8 (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Kh], [Td], [Kc], [3s].
1 fold, MP raises, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) [Kd], [7h], [3d] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO bets, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) [Ks] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: (6.25 BB) [8s] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 6s As Qc Qd (Low: 8, 7, 6, 3, A | High: two pair, kings and queens).
MP has 2s Th 7d 6c (Low: 8, 7, 6, 3, 2 | High: two pair, kings and sevens).
CO has 4s 5d Jc 7c (Low: 8, 7, 5, 4, 3 | High: two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 3.12 BB. CO wins 3.12 BB.









Sorry for so many hands but I clearly have no idea wtf I'm doing. I am trying to learn more games and this is the result. I know some of these may be standard but I don't even know what standard is.....
Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:20 am

converter also needs to be adjusted. the results in one hand showed your opponent having the flush with only 1 spade in his hand and 4 on the board.
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Postby shamdonk » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:30 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:31 pm

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A licky boom boom down.
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A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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Postby GooperMC » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:35 pm

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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Postby shamdonk » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:46 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:05 pm

I agree with Gooper.

You're playing too loose and too aggressive. When you're new you should pretty much stick to A2, quality A3 hands and the very best high only hands (in unraised multiway pots preferably). A4 and worse are big losers, just get rid of them.

This is a nut game. Don't play hands that won't make the nuts at least one way. Cards 7-9 are death in this game because they made second best hands, as are A4 and to some extent A3.

Also figure out if you have a "push" or "pull" hand. Do you want many callers or few (if that is possible). A hand like A2s should be limped from up front because you want more people to see the flop, but can be raised in LP if there are a bunch of limpers (because they will call and you'll have a nut-making hand in position, a good proposition), but it is folded to you you can consider open limping to encourage callers. A2s is a pulling hand.

AA3x is a pushing hand, it does well in short handed pots where your Aces are likely to be good for high and A3 good for low. So raise it if it is folded to you, but limp if there are limpers ahead because you can't narrow the field and need to play for set/nut low value.

So if you have A2s in the CO and everyone folds, limp. If you have AA3x in the same position, raise. But if there are several callers, you should raise with A2s but call with AA3x.

Hope that will give you a decent idea of where to start.
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Postby Drade » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:17 pm

I have nothing to add about general LO/8 strategy. A lot of the hands you posted are 4, 5, or 6 handed though which changes hand values a lot. Pair+decent draw is almost always enough to continue and most two pair hands are virtual monsters. When you're playing at a lively full ring game, you can generally chase a bare nut low. Full ring, the nut low/nut flush combo is where most of your money comes from. When the hands are contested mostly heads-up or three ways, chasing a bare nut low is a guaranteed long term loser.

As such, short handed there are significantly fewer pulling situations and far more places where aggressive play wins out. Additionally, AKJ2 or AQQ3 are preferable to A234 short handed because your pair+low draws are far more powerful and you can really pound low chasers with them. Short handed, you also can't sit around waiting for suited A2 and A3 and AA+low. You've got to open your game up some and include far more A+Paint+low(2,3,4,5)+X where if X is another low or paint it's even better.

You did post a ton of hands and I don't have specific comments on them. My general short handed strategy though, bet/raise 60% of the hands you intend to play, higher when in position. You should isolate/3-bet PF and on the flop more to promote your - backdoor low, backdoor flush, two pair, top pair+draw hands. Show down more janky hands, especially heads up. Look for random river value bets/calls in situations where lows/flushes/straights didn't get there, especially in scoop situations.
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