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Postby ConvictKeeper » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:24 am

Help me out here. Here is a sequence of hands (back to back)
Cashmein as pushed a number of time. One time called and he showed Q4s.

Here we go: I am IceBergie on FTP
Hand #1

Seat 1: rynion ($1.80)
Seat 2: IceBergie ($4.85)
Seat 3: CASHMEIN ($2.05)
Seat 4: robofur ($2.30)
Seat 5: 1 bigsnapper ($14.90)
Seat 6: lynx28 ($4.35)
Seat 7: Brettster 3 ($3.55)
Seat 8: Smiley928 ($13.25)
Seat 9: Magicman234 ($4.80)
Brettster 3 posts the small blind of $0.05
Smiley928 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IceBergie [Qd Ad]
Magicman234 calls $0.10
rynion folds
IceBergie raises to $0.45
CASHMEIN raises to $2.05, and is all in
robofur folds
1 bigsnapper folds
lynx28 folds
Brettster 3 folds
Magicman234 is sitting out
Smiley928 folds
Magicman234 folds
IceBergie calls $1.60
CASHMEIN shows [Td Th]
IceBergie shows [Qd Ad]
Magicman234 stands up
*** FLOP *** [5h Ts 6s]
*** TURN *** [5h Ts 6s] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [5h Ts 6s Qc] [6c]

Hand #2

Seat 1: rynion ($1.80)
Seat 2: IceBergie ($2.80)
Seat 3: CASHMEIN ($3.95)
Seat 4: robofur ($2.30)
Seat 5: 1 bigsnapper ($14.90)
Seat 6: lynx28 ($4.35)
Seat 7: Brettster 3 ($3.50)
Seat 8: Smiley928 ($13.15)
Smiley928 posts the small blind of $0.05
rynion posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IceBergie [Ah Th]
IceBergie raises to $0.35
CASHMEIN calls $0.35
robofur folds
1 bigsnapper folds
lynx28 calls $0.35
Brettster 3 folds
Smiley928 folds
rynion folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Td Jh]
IceBergie bets $1.20
CASHMEIN raises to $3.60, and is all in
lynx28 calls $3.60
IceBergie calls $1.25, and is all in
CASHMEIN shows [9c 8d]
lynx28 shows [Qh Kc]
IceBergie shows [Ah Th]
*** TURN *** [6c Td Jh] [As]
*** RIVER *** [6c Td Jh As] [7s]

Did I play this wrong, or just bad luck back to back? Both players very aggressive, bad luck or bad read?

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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:29 am

Fold to the shove in the first hand at higher stakes, at these stakes I call against anyone much less an uber donk if I have a read.

Fold preflop at higher stakes in the second hand unless you plan on calling Cashmen pushing preflop. As played you have a horrible sized stack postflop and I'm probably check/folding or CRAI depending on my sick reeeeedz.
The better player should win the race. Always.
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Postby Aces Rule » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:29 am

[As][Ah][Ac][8d][8s]
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Postby Runner_Runner » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:51 am

Hand #1: Fold PF - no need to call PF all-ins without AA or KK unless you have some crazy read and he's short, in which case I'd probably add QQ and MAYBE AK.

Hand #2: You are in early position? Fold AT.

Now, one can argue that as you get better you can play more hands, but honestly if you're calling all-in on the flop with second pair, you're not good enough to be playing anything but preimum hands. Not so long ago I was doing the same things.

Stick to the basics my friend - start rock-tight and work from there - in fact, you probbaly won't be much worse off at $10 NL if you play ONLY AK AND PAIRS! I reccomend you do so for 5-10K hands and then add in more hands gradually.
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