Facing a river check-raise with a strong hand

[forssell]

$1000 PL Omaha Hi

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ( $855 )
Seat 2: ( $400 )
Seat 4: VILLAIN ( $2778.88 )
Seat 5: ( $2150.62 )
Seat 6: ( $3972 )
Seat 7: ( $1296.75 )
Seat 8: HERO ( $1555 )
Seat 10: ( $3139.75 )
Seat 9: ( $980 )
Seat 3: ( $990 )
posts small blind [$5].
posts big blind [$10].
posts big blind + dead [$15].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qh 8h Ac Qc ]
VILLAIN calls [$10].
raises [$55].
calls [$55].
folds.
HERO calls [$55].
folds.
folds.
calls [$45].
VILLAIN calls [$45].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 3h, Th ] POT 292
CHECKED THROUGH
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
CHECKED THROUGH
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
checks.
VILLAIN checks.
checks.
checks.
HERO bets [$125].
folds.
VILLAIN raises [$667].
folds.
folds.

HERO??

Villain is a regular, a good winning player. I´m not sure how he views me. I do bluff river on occasion. I have been often folding to river re-raises but once I snapped off such a move from villain. He is tricky. I have been winning in this game but Ive been heckled a couple of times in chat due to my plays and I remember this guy "lol" ing about my play once.

The preflop raiser is a LAG, mediocre at best. I wasn´t sure about the pf call but decided to go along for the ride. I do have one ace but a utg limp with aces was a possibility, maybe I should have mucked pf.

Yep, what to do on river? Different lines before river?

[Hofstra]

Why not simply bet the turn? There is $292 to earn. Since there was a raise preflop, there is a chance that someone has aces or kings, and you don't want to give those a free chance to improve. In order to give someone a second-best hand, a card lower than Q has to come off, and must make someone a lower boat. The chance that that happens times the chance that the person pays you off is not very high it seems. I doubt whether someone would invest a lot of money on a hand like 8s full of 3s.

I would probably not bet the full pot, but something like $125. That makes it incorrect for someone with AAxx or KKxx to call (unless they also hold a three) and it makes it tempting for someone who has an A3-type hand and who is drawing dead to you. It might even be raised by someone who perceives it as a weak bet.

The hand got checked around on the flop and the turn. Do you really think UTG would not make a value bet with the nuts on the river and risk to make no money at all when it gets checked around again? I think he has a hand like A3KQds and hopes you have a lower boat, the flush, or are stealing. I expect that you are ahead most of the time, so I would call.

Just my thoughts, over to the experts now.

Pieter

[Felonius_Monk]

I usually bet a small amount on the turn to try to move KK or AA out of the pot or at least make them pay; however, this is unlikely to be such a smart move at this level because you'll probably lose everyone. So hoping someone bluffs the river is a smart move IMO.

I just call down on the river. Can't see him calling a re-raise with anything much other than AA or 33. Chances of AA are reasonable, but one ace in your hand makes it less likely. A3 is possible, but I think he might've bet that earlier. 33 seems unlikely due to the preflop raise. So I think AA is your major worry and RELATIVELY likely, but you certainly still win more than than enough to make it pay, IMO, even against a good player I don't think you can lay this down. Raising here is probably not so good as I can't see a decent player calling with less than A3, and even that he might lay down. So I call.

Preflop call seems fine for only 5BBs. I think passing your hand in a multiway would be excessively tight.

Monk
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[forssell]

Yep, no problem calling that for 5bb pf, but because the type of player pf raiser was there was bigger than normal chance there would be a re-raise (utg limpper from a tricky good player contributed to my fear) or even a raise-war.

After flop I couldnt see anyone who had position on pf raiser having a 3, villain might have slowed it (and probably would have). Also, after there was no pf re-raise, I thought it was likely no-one did have aces, pf raiser maybe but I think he makes at least some kind of a bet on flop. And of course I have one ace, and if another would come aaxx hand would be even unlikelier. On turn I figure villain bets if he has a 3, maybe unless he has 3Q but I still think he bets it since it seems there are no other threes about.

On river I cant see anyone having much, maybe TT for someone but even that seems unlikely. After villain check-raises the max I had a very bad feeling. I really thought he had 33, that or TT I was thinking, or a complete bluff as he cant put me on many good hands. The range he plays like that pf with 33 should be narrow though. So a small chance he is bluffing and a chance he has TT and of course I could be reading him wrong and he has a 3. But I did think if I re-raise he will fold a worse hand. So I called.

Villain managed to show me AQT3. So he just kept improving his boat and apparently thought better hands were ulikely. I´m still surprised he didnt bet turn but chose to give a freecard to maybe even like 8 outs, if they hit he will lose a bigger pot the way he was playing. Maybe I have to adjust my notes on him a bit. The way he played it I got the feeling he wouldve paid off a min-raise at least. If only to see "What on earth can he have that beats me...?" Oh well.