Two Marginal hands

[briachek]

Hand 1

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($21.6)
CO ($23.51)
Button ($14.27)
Hero ($31.3)
BB ($16.25)
UTG ($8.74)
UTG+1 ($41.66)
MP1 ($20.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) , , (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25.

Turn: ($3) (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $2.85, MP2 folds, Button raises to $5.7, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $8.56, Button calls $2.86.

River: ($20.12) (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Button bets $5.21 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $5.21.

Final Pot: $30.54

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Kc As Tc 8h (straight, king high).

Outcome: Button wins $15.27. UTG+1 wins $15.27.

I know they were keeping it cheap as I know they are both betting the KT straight. If I called, I'm sure it would have gotten even more expensive. Is this just something you just have to lay down because I probably would have gotten alot more from them on the river.

Hand 2


Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (7 handed)

MP2 ($12.2)
CO ($23.75)
Button ($41.45)
SB ($17.25)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($22.25)
MP1 ($41.2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , , , .
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) , , (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, UTG folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($6) (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, Button calls $1, Hero calls $1.

River: ($9) (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $9

Results in white below:
Hero has 2c Ts 9h 3s (two pair, tens and threes).
CO had [ Td As Ad Js ]
Button had [ Ah 4h Qc 8d ]

Outcome: Hero wins $9.

I was pretty sure no one had anything but this ragged hand didn't seem good enough to bet but good enough to call a moderate bet. Thoughts?

[forssell]

Hand 1:
You can net about 47$ from pot if button and utg+1 pay off full on river. You have 10 outs of 40. So if turn play costs you 15$ you might get odds for the call. It seems very likely the river card would cost you more, if utg+1 is even reasonable he pots it with a KT so it would be over 20$. If it costs less -like 15- I don´t see utg payin off full on river on a paired board. Easy fold imo.

Hand2:
I like all the way. The turn doesnt look good and I´m ready to check-fold for action but 1$ and last to act looks an easy call. Looking at results you got loose calls on flop, if this is usual you might want to keep betting mediocre hands on turn sometimes. This would increase variance a bit and out of position it can be a bitch but if these guys are calling stations/not tricky I would consider this.

[starstealer]

I'd like to take a line on hand #1. What are you calling on the flop for? You have an overpair which you've already decided won't be good if you hit a set because it will give at least one opponent a straight. In that case, why not save yourself the small bet on the flop.

Exactly what card are you looking for on the turn to make your hand good? The only think you can really hope for is the inside draw to a 10. 4 outs? Just get out.

/d

[forssell]

With a gutshot to nuts and a K-high backdoor flush on a rainbow flop, two players acting after me, I´m happy calling for one bb. Also, the two queen outs might win me the pot later on, it does seem likely I need to improve on them but the draw might become at a cheaper price than here seemed likely.

[briachek]

In hand 1, I was ready to fold for any significant bet but for such a small bet, I would see the turn. It was quite resonable that if I didn't hit the turn, it might have stayed cheap for me to see the river and a showdown.

[Hofstra]

Hand 1: I would call only when a) my call would close the betting, so that I'm getting 3 to 1 on my call, and b) my opponent will pay me off on the river. In the situation you were in, you were sandwiched between the raisers and you would get worse odds. Therefore, I would fold as well. I don't mind your flop call so much. If all draws miss on the turn, you might be able to steal it.

Hand 2: In think check-calling the turn is fine. I doubt whether the CO would fold to a large bet. Besides, you don't want to invest a lot of money on such a shaky hand, unless you are very sure that they are both holding crap. The $1 bet by the CO looks exactly like a flush draw. If I were last to act, I might consider betting the river, but first to act a check is probably best.

Pieter

[starstealer]