25 PLO flop decision

[bassline]

Villain overplays aces, not that they are the only thing he raises with, but the reraise out of position marks him with them.

I read it is correct to call with a pair and a gutshot, even villan has the flush draw to go with them. What is my plan for the turn though? Or should I be willing to push the flop in order to avoid such decision?

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $49.85
UTG+1: $8.05
MP1: $3.65
MP2: $39.50
MP3: $36.15
Hero: $23.95
Button: $2.60
SB: $66.30
BB: $21.75

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises to $1.35, Button folds, SB raises to $4.8, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: ($10.35, 2 players)
SB bets $9.85, Hero folds

[Aisthesis]

Well, you have a pair, but this flop is certainly less than ideal for your hand. There's certainly no guarantee he has hearts either.

I think I'd call that flop, though, although it's pretty marginal. You're really looking for two pair, and I'd also assume that a 9 makes your hand. I think if I make either of those, I'm not laying down to the flush.

I'd probably lay down to any heart that doesn't make the low end of the straight or two pair. I suppose I'd have to lay down to any A, even if it's As if he bets pot (as he surely will).

If the turn is any card 4 through 9 (except maybe 4h), I'm definitely going to proceed. If it pairs the K or T, might as well lay it down. A big or little heart that doesn't help your hand I'd probably also fold if he bets. I'll probably also proceed with any spade that isn't the As or Ts. Offsuit 2, 3, J or Q are kind of dodgy. With the 2 or 3 I'd probably still draw to it. With a Q or J, I'd probably lay down.

That's roughly my feel for this board (and it may be quite wrong). I just don't want to keep drawing from behind if there's a reasonable chance that I'm drawing dead for the remainder of stack. But I'd be willing to take some risks here, too, in a HU pot where you've already put in a lot PF--and over half your stack if you call the flop.

I also don't think the laydown is by any means horrible.

[Stoneburg]

[Felonius_Monk]

I think this flop is a pretty clear fold, so I disagree with Ais here. The guy has to have two sidecards even if he has aces and you could easily be drawing almost dead here; about the best case scenario is you'll be a bit worse than 50:50 but there's lots of hands he could have that have you in a lot of trouble here. As you won't know any better where you are on the turn, you're basically committed to play for your stack if you want to call the flop, so if this guy can fold I'd say fold>raise>call.

[bassline]

I think I have 0 FE against this villain neither on the flop or turn if he happens to slow down.

But isnt it a mistake to fold when you should call?. Against his range wich is pretty much
ANY AA, sidecards nonimportant, I should have 41% equity.

I just wonder if I´m leaving money at the tables when in this kind of situations, I fold too much rather than calling. Ie:

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $46.15
UTG+1: $52.30
CO: $29.60
Button: $11.05
Hero: $31.65
BB: $27.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls $0.4 (pot was $1.85), BB calls.

Flop: ($2.5, 5 players)
Hero bets $2.4, BB raises to $9.6, 3 folds, Hero calls $7.2 (pot was $14.5).

Turn: ($21.7, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB is all-in $17.1, Hero calls $17.1 (pot was $38.8).

It is kind off clear villains has a set and we are facing a coin flip should the money go in on the flop. Now even if villain picked up a flush draw to go along with his set it I would still should call. Off course my "heroic" turn call was berated.

[bassline]

[Ojingo]

[MacAnthony]

2nd hand I push on that flop. 4589T all give you the nuts and there is not flush draw. If he's a decent player you may not get any more equity in the hand if you hit so might as well push it in. I don't think you are looking for fold equity here, I think you are looking to get it in when you could be a favorite. The worst spot you could be in would be 7789 where you chop a lot of your made hands. Even then you have 32% equity. Against a set with 2 random cards you are even money. Especially if you plan on calling on the turn if you miss and the board doesn't pair, I think you need to push this flop. What's the point of calling on a missed turn when you are obviously going to have less equity than the flop? I guess this boils down to the difference in equity when calling as apposed to raising. Personally I push big draws like this and with the odd times that you get someone who is vastly overplaying their hand or just on a flat out bluff, I think it evens out likely.

First hand I think is an obvious fold since you only have $8 behind if you call and the best you are hoping for is to give you a non-flush 2 pair or trips. Bad spot.

[Kuso]

as others have said, i think the first hand is an easy fold. the second hand is an easy flop push, imo.

[briachek]

first hand, easy fold. you assume he has no side cards to chase your marginal outs. find a better spot.

second hand, i don't see the point of a flop push. it seems he identified his hand as a set or two pair at worst so save your money on the turn if the board pairs. i doubt he will get away from the hand if you make your straight so call the flop to save money on a paired turn.

[Kuso]

[briachek]

[Felonius_Monk]

[Beavis68]

[briachek]

hand 1 - so you are pretty much gonna go with your whole stack with any part of the board against a suspected AA, even bottom pair and gutshot?

hand 2 - i still don't see the point of a push. Its a rainbow board and you got the wrop draw. he is not going to fold on the flop as i've almost never seen it done (i have done it personally but unless this guy is a very tight nutpeddler, no way is he folding). If the turn pairs the board, you can fold and save money. if you make your straight, he's is 90% likely to pay it off with his full stack and 9% likely to give you most of it and 1% to fold for no more. with the pot size, he will not likely check behind on the turn and if he does, he likely pays off the river big bet with a set thinking you are buying it.