Is Stars Rigged?

[DeeYakaBaka]

[Beavis68]

PokerStars Game #6882654770: Tournament #34619350, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/03 - 20:27:44 (ET)
Table '34619350 240' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: beavis68 (1440 in chips)
Seat 2: butch_dk (2960 in chips)
Seat 3: NAZCA (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Grisen (6350 in chips)
Seat 5: top10inreno (5800 in chips)
Seat 6: rick9444 (1400 in chips)
Seat 7: wizjor (4490 in chips)
Seat 8: JoePokah (6800 in chips)
Seat 9: Ronat (5220 in chips)
JoePokah: posts small blind 10
Ronat: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beavis68 [Ac Kc]
beavis68: raises 1420 to 1440 and is all-in
butch_dk: folds
NAZCA: folds
Grisen: folds
top10inreno: folds
rick9444: folds
wizjor: folds
JoePokah: calls 1430
Ronat: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 5d Js]
*** TURN *** [2h 5d Js]
JoePokah said, "10"
*** RIVER *** [2h 5d Js 6h]
JoePokah said, "heart"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoePokah: shows [Kh Th] (a flush, King high)
beavis68: shows [Ac Kc] (high card Ace)
JoePokah collected 2900 from pot
beavis68 re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $3.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2900 | Rake 0
Board [2h 5d Js 6h 7h]
Seat 1: beavis68 showed [Ac Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: butch_dk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NAZCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Grisen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: top10inreno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rick9444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wizjor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: JoePokah (small blind) showed [Kh Th] and won (2900) with a flush, King high
Seat 9: Ronat (big blind) folded before Flop


PokerStars Game #6882791346: Tournament #34619350, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/11/03 - 20:38:08 (ET)
Table '34619350 240' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: beavis68 (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: butch_dk (3585 in chips)
Seat 3: NAZCA (1135 in chips)
Seat 4: Grisen (6185 in chips)
Seat 5: top10inreno (6245 in chips)
Seat 6: rick9444 (1565 in chips)
Seat 7: wizjor (4110 in chips)
Seat 8: JoePokah (11340 in chips)
Seat 9: Ronat (7840 in chips)
beavis68: posts small blind 15
butch_dk: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beavis68 [Js Qs]
NAZCA: calls 30
Grisen: folds
top10inreno: calls 30
rick9444: folds
wizjor: raises 120 to 150
JoePokah: folds
Ronat: calls 150
beavis68: calls 135
butch_dk: folds
NAZCA: calls 120
top10inreno: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d Qh Th]
beavis68: checks
NAZCA: checks
wizjor: bets 120
Ronat: raises 120 to 240
beavis68: raises 1065 to 1305 and is all-in
NAZCA: calls 985 and is all-in
wizjor: folds
Ronat: calls 1065
*** TURN *** [5d Qh Th]
*** RIVER *** [5d Qh Th 7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
beavis68: shows [Js Qs] (a pair of Queens)
Ronat: shows [Ts 7c] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
Ronat collected 640 from side pot
NAZCA: shows [Jc Qc] (a pair of Queens)
Ronat collected 3735 from main pot
NAZCA re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $3.00
Ronat said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4375 Main pot 3735. Side pot 640. | Rake 0
Board [5d Qh Th 7s Kc]
Seat 1: beavis68 (small blind) showed [Js Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: butch_dk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: NAZCA showed [Jc Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Grisen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: top10inreno folded before Flop
Seat 6: rick9444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wizjor folded on the Flop
Seat 8: JoePokah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ronat (button) showed [Ts 7c] and won (4375) with two pair, Tens and Sevens

[Zmej]

I doubt that they are rigged, just SNG are much higher varience than cash games. And in cash games the very best players have 100K break even stretches.

[Beavis68]

[Tyrannic]

[Allstar7]

[MVPSPORTS]

[Zmej]

I think that some of you should read 2+2. There is some info about 100k break even stretches and 25buy-ins downswings for top players.

Reagrding SNG a friend of mine playing 100$ SNG had 25 SNG stretch without getting ITM, and he is a winning player.

[Allstar7]

[Allstar7]

[GodlikeRoy]

Last time I played SNGs I had a 50-buyin downswing at the $60 and $115 level. I was certainy one of the best players in every game I played. I do not think Pokerstars is rigged, it's just that the variance in SNGs is so incredible high you have no idea.

[Beavis68]

[Beavis68]

[Zmej]

It's not that bad. These guys are pros multitabling like 8 tables for 6 or more hours a day. So 100k hands could be about 3 month of play. It's also 2000NL with very aggro games. Can't say what is their standard deviation, though one could find this info. There were people datamining Party games, the info about 100k break-even stretches is from dataminers.

[NorthView]

Zmej, do you have a link to that 2+2 thread please?