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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:52 am

Just saw the weirdest 3-way all-in preflop ever.

UTG limps, next guy raises 3x bb, I make a bad call with ATs, a guy behind me re-pops pot sized, BB who is short calls all-in. Now UTG who limped pushes, the first raiser calls all-in and the original re-raiser actually folds(!).

Raiser turns over [Jc] [4c]
BB shows [6h] [2h]
UTG shows [Ad] [5d]

J4 turns a 4 and drags.

Hell, I had them all crushed!!
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Postby Xaston » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:57 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby Xaston » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:48 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby k3nt » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:43 am

Xaston, I'm afraid Stony is being serious here. That makes me sad.

This shouldn't have to be posted, but ... let's pretend you had AA there.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2183552
pokenum -h ah as - 6h 2h - jc 4c - ad 5d
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 579326 53.34 499381 45.98 7301 0.67 0.536
6h 2h 168034 15.47 915469 84.30 2505 0.23 0.155
Jc 4c 192772 17.75 890731 82.02 2505 0.23 0.178
Ad 5d 138575 12.76 940132 86.57 7301 0.67 0.130

So you only win 53% of the time in a 4-way all-in. Sure there's some variance but for the chance to quadruple up ....

Assuming all full stacks at $100 NL for fun....

EV calculation:
46.4% * -$100 = -$46.40
53.6% * +$300 = +$160.80
+EV: $114.40!!! Every time you get this situation you win on average more than a full stack!

QQ is big +EV too.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2183557
pokenum -h qs qd - 6h 2h - jc 4c - ad 5d
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Qd 454425 41.84 629645 57.98 1938 0.18 0.419
6h 2h 178513 16.44 905557 83.38 1938 0.18 0.165
Jc 4c 176739 16.27 907331 83.55 1938 0.18 0.163
Ad 5d 274393 25.27 809677 74.56 1938 0.18 0.253

So 58.1% of the time you lose a stack, but 41.9% of the time you gain 3 stacks.

58.1% * -100 = -$58.10
41.9% * +300 = +$125.70
Total: +$67.60, or 2/3 of a stack gain on average every time this happens.

AK is a little more iffy, but obviously still +EV.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2183556
pokenum -h as ks - 6h 2h - jc 4c - ad 5d
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ks 352958 32.50 713336 65.68 19714 1.82 0.333
6h 2h 249348 22.96 833917 76.79 2743 0.25 0.230
Jc 4c 272347 25.08 810918 74.67 2743 0.25 0.251
Ad 5d 191641 17.65 874653 80.54 19714 1.82 0.185

66.7% * -100 = -$66.70
33.3% * +300 = $99.90
+EV: $33.20.

And now your actual hand, let's call it [As][Ts]. ([Ah][Th] and [Ac][Tc] are a little better.)

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2183559
pokenum -h as ts - 6h 2h - jc 4c - ad 5d
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts 315166 29.02 731249 67.33 39593 3.65 0.308
6h 2h 250464 23.06 832876 76.69 2668 0.25 0.231
Jc 4c 291871 26.88 791469 72.88 2668 0.25 0.269
Ad 5d 188914 17.40 857501 78.96 39593 3.65 0.192

69.2% * -100 = -$69.20
30.8% * + 300 = +$92.40
+EV: $23.20.
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Postby adamh » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:01 am

maybe stone has my luck, and the favorite hand always loses
mets better step it up
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