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Too aggressive once again it seems

Postby briachek » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:30 am

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($25)
BB ($19.75)
UTG ($132.45)
UTG+1 ($37.75)
MP1 ($48.2)
MP2 ($28.96)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($25)
Button ($24)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kh], [Jh], [9s], [Ks]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 (poster) calls $0.25, CO (poster) calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($3.50) [8d], [Tc], [Qc] (7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $3.35, CO calls $3.35, Hero raises to $16.75, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $24.5 (All-In), CO calls $21.15 (All-In), Hero calls $7.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($77) [4c] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($77) [8h] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $77

Results in white below:

Everyone had J9 except MP3 had J9c with a K too so I was drawing for 3 way split

Outcome: MP3 wins $77.



Is this way too aggressive with the flush draw there? If so, how would you play it. Check/call and push turn if no flush or pair on board?
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Postby euri10 » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:38 am

i like your play,
I had 4 hands exactly like this yesterday, top str8 on the flop.
Once I ran against the same str8 with a flush redraw and I lost and 3 times I lost my entire stack against top set who had the chance to see the river pairing the board.

So YES it's tough to play nut str8 on the flop./.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:38 pm

Yeah, I like to see a turn here. I don't think your raise is going to induce folds, especially at 25PLO, and a flush card or board pair kills you stone dead so I really like waiting for the turn in this spot. If you're up against a guy with a set and a guy with a flush draw, you're not even a favourite, it's not a long way from even money. The chances of you being freerolled here in at least one spot are HUGE on that board. OK, without the flush, and with those kings giving you a sketchy little redraw, I like moving it all in, but with the flush on board waiting for the turn is probably better. If you don't have that king, don't even THINK about raising that until you see the 3[d] or whatever on the turn.

I would say your raise here, three handed, is liable to put your stack in on a flop where you don't hold much more than 1/3 of the equity, so it's kind of a high-variance type maneuvre. The one thing I guess you CAN say, is that this IS 25PLO so I guess there's always chance someone thinks Q8 or AA or something is a monster here, but even that said I still reckon I'd rather see a turn.

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Postby briachek » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:43 pm

yeah, i thought I really messed this one up. I made up for it later when I flopped two monsters on two tables at the same time. I had the nut straight with a K high flush redraw and someone went all in on the flop with 2nd set so I got a full stack on that one.

On the other table, I limped with AAxx in mp and the flop came A88 and I was getting bet and raised into so I just called along. One of the guys was all in on the turn but he only had $11 in his stack to start so I called to try to lure the other stack who called but didn't raise or call my river bet. The all in player had 8947 so he was drawing to the case 8 and could easily be drawing dead already. That was a nice $20 profit there.

I think I was a little frustrated as I had played for an hour and not hit one hand and was just blinding down. I pushed a hand I shouldn't have but then I make money 5 mins later. If I just waited, I'd be up $25 more.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:56 pm

Well, I didn't hit a hand all day yesterday bri, and when I did find a couple of biggies, I lost to quads over quads, quads over boat, and nut set to runner runner straight.... upshot was, about $600 down :wink: these things happen! I'm taking a day or two of recovery time then if I am not so busy i'll be back on the tables I guess...
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