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Postby motofrankster » Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:33 pm

just crashed out of my local B&M's big xmas tournament..

235 people x $270......

people start with 10,000 chips....binds start very low (25/50), 30 minute rounds, which is good, although the blind levels jump very substantially.... but nice deep tournament.

3.5 hours in, i'd fought my way to 21-22,000 chips by 200/400 (50 ante) level, which was above normal but definitely need to pick up some chips fairly soon for any top 5 dream..... I'd been very tag. had stolen some blinds, gone maniac in muscling people off big pots probably four or five hands and hit one really big hand where i more than doubled up. basically, not much card luck pre-flop or on flop, but i'd been very aggressive post-flop on misses ... so i think my image was extremely aggressive TAG......

table hadn't seen too many limpers or callers, but some people did stupidly call large pre-flop raises with sub-premium hands (not really the two relevent opponents though)

here's the hand that killed me (and i'm pretty sure i made bad play, but i'm basically wondering which stage you see the mistake - call the UTG raise??)

UTG (8000 chips) raises to 1500.... hero UTG +2 (22,000 chips) with TT reraises to 5,000... all fold to button (CO??) who raises all-in his 30,000 chips..... UTG calls for his remaining 6,500 chips... hero stupidly calls his last 17,000............. button has KK, and hero is done .... FWIW, UTG had AJo and hit ace to win side pot.

do you guys see the bigger mistake as the original 5,000 raise or calling the all-in??? ... BTW, both UTG and button are naturally reasonably TAG guys. button is aggressive and not incredibly tight. the UTG had started playing alot more hands as he was getting desperate (blinds/antes were going up in under 3 minutes).

how horrible is this all-in call? and, is the original reraise the bigger problem?? or, just bad luck in timing??...

thanks in advance!!...
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Postby hard2tel » Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:42 pm

The call was infinately worse. Your raise was solid.
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Postby adiuvat » Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:27 am

That 5k raise is JUST FINE. You clarified the situation: anyone willing to play you allinsies (which even calling that 5k is gonna tend to lead to) has a real hand, and UTG is your ideal choice of target, since he's mostly gonna have AKo-AJs, or even less depending on what you think of him, and that reraise may well scare him off.

Calling the reraise was madness unless you specifically thought you were up against an idiot. You said it yourself, you thought your image was tight aggressive, so when you reraise people are gonna tend to give you credit for a hand you won't fold. Therefore a reraise of your reraise from a non-idiot player has you thinking seriously about folding anything short of pocket kings, which you don't fold (IMO) ever preflop.
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:59 pm

Yeah that call was just ridiculous imo.
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