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Considering checking behind with a FH in blind battle.
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Considering checking behind with a FH in blind battle.
by Xaston » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:34 pm
Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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by ToastedMoses » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:38 am
If you don't have a reason to think this player would CR bluff the river, I like a 350$ - 450$ bet. Without a read, I think your giving away too much value by checking behind this river
Aces are possible, but AQ is nearly as strong a hand in the villains mind since you only flat called pre, minimizing the possibility of your holding a bigger pair. With either of these hands I think the villain should probably be taking a stronger line, either by 3-betting the flop or calling and leading the turn strong... but that certainly doesn't mean this villain wouldn't play them this passively.
I would think KK would play similarly to AA in this spot and It would be difficult for him to put you on a hand where the Ace helps you, so you might still get value on the river.
** as a side note, how would you play AA, AQ or KK in the villains position given the deep stacks?
Aces are possible, but AQ is nearly as strong a hand in the villains mind since you only flat called pre, minimizing the possibility of your holding a bigger pair. With either of these hands I think the villain should probably be taking a stronger line, either by 3-betting the flop or calling and leading the turn strong... but that certainly doesn't mean this villain wouldn't play them this passively.
I would think KK would play similarly to AA in this spot and It would be difficult for him to put you on a hand where the Ace helps you, so you might still get value on the river.
** as a side note, how would you play AA, AQ or KK in the villains position given the deep stacks?
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by Zmej » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:52 am
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by Stelvask » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:54 am
Well, he definatly looks like he's got a hand. At the very worst he has a flush draw (in which case none of this matters). But there's no way in hell he check raises this river on a bluff. not a chance.
That being said, what kind of hands might he check call you with?
AQ,![[Ah]](https://livepokerforum.com/images/smilies/Ah.gif "The Ace of Hearts")
xh, Qx, KK, maybe even one of those fools with JJ/TT.
What hands are you worried about? AA. I can't imagine him holding any other hand that beats you here.
So what's his play with AA going to be here? probably CRAI. what's his play with any of his other holdings? either check call/check fold.
With all that in mind, I'm value betting here. with $716 in the pot, i want to still be called by any Qx type of hand, along with the JJ's/KK's. You bet too much and you'll both scare away those hands and committ yourself.
So i'm firing $350 on this river. that'll leave you with ~ $600 behind.
Of course, if he does CRAI, i'll puke a bit and then try to convince myself that i need to fold.
I just think this is too good of a situation to pick up what's almost a full extra stack on the river.
That being said, what kind of hands might he check call you with?
AQ,
xh, Qx, KK, maybe even one of those fools with JJ/TT.
What hands are you worried about? AA. I can't imagine him holding any other hand that beats you here.
So what's his play with AA going to be here? probably CRAI. what's his play with any of his other holdings? either check call/check fold.
With all that in mind, I'm value betting here. with $716 in the pot, i want to still be called by any Qx type of hand, along with the JJ's/KK's. You bet too much and you'll both scare away those hands and committ yourself.
So i'm firing $350 on this river. that'll leave you with ~ $600 behind.
Of course, if he does CRAI, i'll puke a bit and then try to convince myself that i need to fold.
I just think this is too good of a situation to pick up what's almost a full extra stack on the river.
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by shamdonk » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:52 pm
Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.
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