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[Beavis68]

[emmasdad]

[Beavis68]

[LetsGetItCrunk]

[emmasdad]

[LetsGetItCrunk]

Yo, Why do all the high tournament rollers, insist on playing such insanely all in preflop game. I do realize that you are trying to apply maximal pressure on your opponents but I think that exploiting there mistakes post flop is a better way to get ahead and be wayyy more consistent.

[emmasdad]

[DonkiFornication]

I'm not sure about this.

On one side, we probably have the best hand, it looks too much like BB wants to see 5 cards or no cards. I'd rather cut the hand in half, I think. Are we doing this with the assumption that he's shoving any flop? That'd be an overshove of 2x the pot, but any CB's got him committed. I don't know. Pushing makes this hand easiest.... I really don't wanna let this guy see 5 cards, but I don't think we can prevent it. Pushing pre's looking better and better as I type.

Let's say we call:

Pot: 1650
Eff. Stacks: 2950

Flop: Q 7 2 rbw

Villian bets 1100. Hero ___________ ???

We're either a 3:1 fav or an 11:1 dog and we're always getting called. Can he do all this with TT or 99? At first glance, I thought this was an easy call in position, but this shows how Jacks are hard to play postflop in big pots. I hate pushing pre here for so many bbs, but I think I'd have to if I thought this out.

[hard2tel]

[MTPaid]

About a month ago I would be unsure of this, but after seeing just about every blind 3-bet or push to a raise of their blind, especially one from LP, AND seeing a good amount of players on this board say that they would 3-bet QJo from the SB in another thread, I would be pushing here.

H2T, weren't you one of the ones who was for 3-betting QJo in the SB? I would then assume you would put a hand like this and many lesser ones than better ones in BB's range here. I'm not necessarily saying folding is the wrong move, but I'm surprised you would fold considering the way you'd play that QJo hand.

[DonkiFornication]

[hard2tel]

[hard2tel]

[Beavis68]

[Tatarana]

* I would be called only by JJ+/AK

* he may be just a bad player who doesnt want to see the flop or trying to protect a vulnerable hand like AJ,AQ or TT

* He made a small raise, he may be trying to induce a squeeze

* I would need a loose raiser to justify this shove, and if he is a that loose I think you can wait for a better spot.

* Perhaps, he is just playing against the pro and forgot that you were the raiser, I've seen this before.In fact I made this mistake before.

* I hate JJ

I think that sHoving is betting that the guy is a bad player and I dont take this bets anymore without very solid reads, specially at $150.

So I fold.