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$1000 (6 Max) JJ overpair, stack here?

Postby JohnSmith » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:09 am

The hand right before this one, I raised preflop with the same hand, JJ, and everyone folded

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

Hero ($822)
MP ($1300)
Button ($985)
SB ($1668)
BB ($1037)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Jh], [Js].
Hero raises to $40, MP raises to $140, 3 folds, Hero calls $100.

Flop: ($295) [6c], [7c], [7d] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $250, hero?

1. Fold
2. Push

No reads, only played a couple of hands, dont ask what I am doing at these stakes either. Obviously I lose to AA, KK, QQ and beat pretty much anything else, even money with [Ac] [Kc]

Any tips for $5/$10?
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:14 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Zmej » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:00 am

That's a tough spot and without knwoing the dynamics, it's hard to give a good advice.
Anyway I don't like a push here. You won't be called by a worse hand and you won't make a better hand to fold. So the choice is between calling and folding, I am more inclined to call here and lead turn weakly, hoping to induce a push from aggresive opponent.

P.S. You shouldn't play that high anyway. The last post of yours I've seen was at 100NL, and you were unsure what to do in a fairly easy spot.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:12 am

Did you see that Hero is only sitting with 80BBs? MP has already put 40BB in the pot, I think if hero calls and leads a turn, there is almost zero chance that MP will bluff because he will think he has almost no FE. You also let him have a chance to hit a Q, K or A on the turn. I would be happy to push and take down the pot here.

Of course it doesn't really matter what cards you have then as it's effectively a bluff. There is a small chance you get called by 88-TT and he will call with the nut flush draw which you're ahead of, but apart from that, your raise would be a bluff.
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Postby Zmej » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:29 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby DonkiFornication » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:06 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:06 pm

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Postby WayToGo » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:13 pm

Taking shots, one at a time.
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:38 pm

Theres no correct answer for this hand. Hes going to have a bigger pair than you sometimes, hes going to have 6 outs sometimes and hes going to have some other wierd hand sometimes (which may or may not have alot of outs).

You should lead into him and fold to a raise sometimes
You should check raise all in sometimes
You should check / fold sometimes.
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:55 pm

If indeed John is an inexperienced player and is raising preflop a lot (15%+), then this could easily be an isolation play by a strong MP player. That increases the chances that this is air. If that's the case the push may be best.

IMO this hand relies more on MPs opinion of John than John's read on MP.
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Postby JohnSmith » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:27 am

Thats why I said the hand right before, I raised 4xbb, so I MAY appear loose to him? But I've only sat down for 15 hands or so
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Postby JohnSmith » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:32 am

Im still grinding the NL100, was playing this limit for recreation more than anything, got a stable job so the money wasnt a big issue. I wont be back at this limit for maybe a year or so. Lost the $1000 over 2 key hands. favourite in both KK vs TT and TT vs 55 (in the blinds)
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