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Middle set, coordinated board, bad turn. 600NL, SH

Postby Zmej » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:56 am

Opponent seems to play tight, no specific read though, he is not one of the better regulars, though.

Full stacks. 600NL, 5handed

Preflop: I raise to 16 on MP with [7h] [7c], BB calls, Button calls.

Flop (51): [5s] [7s] [8c]
BB checks, I bet 44, Button folds, BB calls.
Turn (139): [4d]
BB checks, I check.
River (139): [Jh]
BB bets 116, I call.

I think river call is quite standard given the way I played this hand.
What do you think about turn check?
If someone folds river, why?
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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:08 am

Absolutely no way are you gonna fold that river. I would bet turn because I'd hate for a spade (except [4s] or [8s]) or 6 to roll off, hell if he made a loose preflop call with [As] [3s] or [As] [2s] he just picked up another 3 outs.

Are you checking behind on the turn because you think 66, 55 and 88 is his HD and you're behind that range, wanting to increase bluff equity and get a free card to beat the straight? And that hands that you crush (like 99-AA) will fold to a bet on this scary board?

Once again, no way you can fold the river after checking the turn since he could either be bluffing a busted flush draw or valuebetting a hand you beat, like 55, 78s, an overpair or whatnot.
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Re: Middle set, coordinated board, bad turn. 600NL, SH

Postby black_knight6 » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:50 pm

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Postby Zmej » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:56 pm

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby shobute » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:12 pm

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Postby k3nt » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:41 pm

River call is automatic. You have massively under-represented your hand here, hell you could be on AK/AQ maybe even KQ.

I think I prefer the turn check over a bet. I think a check will induce a lot of river bluffs, and apart from spade draws there's not much to protect our hand from that hasn't already hit. There are only 7 spades to worry about, so it's not quite WA/WB but it's pretty close.
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