Question on checking behind for pot control (100NL 6 max)

[LuparFiend]

I'm struggling with this for the last couple days.

The situation: I have a good, but not great hand, or the board is very drawy. I am in position, raise PF, get checked to after the flop, and they call my flop continuation bet.

I know it depends on the player and the board, but here are two examples.

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Villain in this hand was running at 37/10/0.70

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $100.85
BB: $93.55
UTG: $100
CO: $199.40
Hero (BTN): $98.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt (5 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7) (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($19) (2 Players)
BB checks

Should I check behind and keep the pot small? Bet Here because there could be draws, and I don't want to give odds for them to hit?

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Villain in this hand was running at 32/20/1.5

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

SB: $94.50
BB: $100
UTG: $101.50
MP: $124.10
Hero (CO): $98.50
BTN: $96.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt (6 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($7) (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($19) (2 Players)
SB checks

I'm pretty sure i should fire a bet here. No real draws out there. But what to do if called and/or raised?

[Danhdan]

I like firing a bet in Hand 1 over Hand 2 just based on aggression factors. Hand 1 villain won't be giving you any more money if you check the turn and bet the river unless he has you beat, and Hand 2 villain will probably pay you off more on the turn.

I don't mind checking both hands though, that is usually how I would play them to induce some kind of bluff...but I doubt Hand 1 villain would bluff in that spot given stats.

I guess another reason to check Hand 2 is that there really wasn't any draws and he called you on the flop...controlling the pot with TPTK is pretty important to me, and I would like to see a showdown and not get CR'ed off the hand.

[black_knight6]

Good players will CR the turn on a draw, so that's another reason to check for pot control. I often check behind in these spots. Not hand 2 tho, that's a clear spot to fire a 2nd round.

[Danhdan]

[Zmej]

[shamdonk]

[black_knight6]

[excession]

[Rhound50]

Hand 1: I think there are good arguements for both betting and checking. I think it the deciding factor to me is what are the odds of getting CR. On this turn I dont want to play a big pot. Though this isnt a super draw heavy board unless he has a pair and a draw hand. BK double check the hand KQ didnt get counterfeit he still has a better 2 pair than you do. The only way he can think he got counterfeit is if he puts you on AA.

Hand 2: I am more likely to check behind here, there is almost no draw on the board. You only have 1 pair and a decent kicker. There are very few hands that have lots of outs against you. On a blank river you will induce a lot of bluffs. If he checks the river you almost always have the best hand.

[LuparFiend]

If anyone is interested in results, I checked behind on both of them.

Hand 1, River was , and he led for $12 and I called. He showed

Hand 2, River was . He checked, and I made a value bet of $11. He check-raised to $33. I called, and he showed

[iceman5]

I check behind on hand #2 and bet hand #1. I disagree with BK. very few people check raise the turn with draws after you raised preflop and bet the flop AND turn.

I check behind hand #2 sometimes to get more money out of a bad floater that will value bet his 98 or 66 on the river after I check the turn.

Hand #1 is too likely that the guy had QT or JT type hand and I dont want to give him a free card.

[ua1176]

[AlexMR]

[Zeestein]