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Postby Pok 7's » Sun May 27, 2007 12:24 pm

Realy didn't like the turn card here, new to the table. Fire a PSB on the turn here or no?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($28.95)
SB ($7.25)
BB ($12.25)
UTG ($40.80)
MP ($41.05)
Hero ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with QImage, AImage, AImage, TImage.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, MP calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) TImage, 6Image, AImage (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.1, SB folds, MP calls $3.10.

Turn: ($9.45) JImage (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($9.45) 9Image (2 players)
MP bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25.

Final Pot: $17.95

Results in white below:
MP has 8c Ah 7h 4h (straight, jack high).
Hero has Qs Ac Ad Tc (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP wins $17.95.
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Postby Ojingo » Sun May 27, 2007 2:59 pm

Even if he has the straight on the turn you still have 133 outs; easy pot, call shove.
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Postby pokerzen » Sun May 27, 2007 3:47 pm

Yes, push the turn ... no free cards ... don't lock up just because he could have beat you ... make him prove it here. (because there are enough redraws to back you up.) He'll fold 1/2 the time, and lose another 1/2 when he calls. (He won't always call with the best cards ... about 1/3 of the time ... and you'll river a better hand 1/3 times ... that's about ) There's your money right there.

Lay traps where you can, but don't give free cards in doing so.
<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby Stoneburg » Sun May 27, 2007 4:37 pm

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Postby Kuso » Mon May 28, 2007 12:42 pm

1) i strongly recommend that you try to become more comfortable representing hands that you don't have when scare cards hit.

2) this is an especially powerful move when you have outs (e.g., boat and flush in this hand). players who are not totally brain-dead will be completely confused by this move and will start calling you down super light assuming that you're on draws all the time. as such, your monsters will get paid off quite a bit more often. additionally, when you move up and start playing against aggressive players, they'll try to rep a big hand when the scare card hits (e.g., flush or paired board on the river), and they'll be... well... betting into the nuts that you hold. :twisted:

3) most players at these levels will let you know if you're betting into the nuts (usu. by raising immediately), so you'll usually have a good idea about where your at and what your approximate pot odds are to chase any draws you may have.


slightly more advanced tips

1) once you get a feel for who folds marginal hands and/or chases without proper odds and who doesn't, you can start making these kinds of flop and turn scarecard plays with air. you'll get a fold unless villain has a huge hand or a huge draw (relatively rare).

2) against players who chase a lot and/or can fold marginal hands (e.g., 2pr, baby flushes, flushes on paired boards, etc.) on the river, i also recommend you try to learn how to rep big hands on river scare cards (e.g., flushes and boats). you don't have to do it every time (in fact, you almost definitely shouldn't), but if you add it into the mix, you'll completely confuse your opponents.
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Postby Pok 7's » Mon May 28, 2007 7:24 pm

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