PLO8 6/07 hand 1

[Beavis68]

[doublepro]

[Felonius_Monk]

I'd call the turn. I don't think there's any harm here letting in weak-ish highs (two pair, even sets) as they're dead money to you, and I don't think there's any harm letting in anyone with a non-nut low. It seems a strong possibility that the guy who suddenly wakes up on the turn has at least the same low (likely with something for high), so ordinarily I wouldn't think that trying to engineer an all-in with him has much merit, although you could be solidly free-rolling him I guess. A raise wouldn't be terrible, especially if you think the guy who bets the turn is quite LAGgy (obv. getting it all in here against a naked high would be decent). I'd certainly never consider folding this turn and think that would be pretty abysmal.

However, I really don't see the merit in betting the flop, unless this table is outrageously bad. With 4 opponents seeing the flop, it's hard to believe someone doesn't have an A2 or A3 here; I guess if it's the sort of table where everyone sees every hand, you might be ahead on the low, but if not, you really need to see precisely an ace on the turn to be interested in the low end, and obviously still have to make your straight. I really don't think this is a bettable hand with 5 to the flop.

[TomG]

i'd let this one go pre-flop, but i am kind of nitty that way. don't bet the flop. that's just bad. it's very generous of them to offer you a free card. take it. trust me, you want the free card more than they do. betting the flop serves no purpose as it isn't for value nor is it a good bluff/semi-bluff. there are a lot of turn cards (i.e., anything other than an ace) that will leave you baffled if someone leads into you. jackpot with the turn card. of course you bet the flop if you know the A[s] is coming, duh!! you can either jam the turn or smooth call. jamming is good because you make sure you get paid if he gets counterfeited on the river and you make your wheel. if you just call and everyone else folds, you allow him to get off the hook for cheap if the river fks him over. keep in mind that if you're gonna get quartered there's nothing you can do about it, as smooth calling does not exercise pot control since by the river the pot in comparison to your remaining stack will about have you all-in anyway. there there is some merit to calling the turn hoping to pick up some overcalls. also, you disguise your hand by calling and reserving the option of representing a boat and bluffing out the high hands on the river if the board pairs. so... there is an argument to be made either way.