Any way to fold this? (PLO100)

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I have $93 and KcQhJh9d OTB and raise max after 3 limpers. SB calls, as do all of the limpers.

Flop comes QdTh3c. Looks pretty good, right? Now SB fires pot at it, and MP calls. Both are full stacked. I'm sufficiently convinced that SB has a set that I decide to flat call. Even if it's TT, I think I have little ability to rep QQ after raising, and I can at least get away from it if the board pairs.

But is this already a questionable call? While I have a full 17 straighting outs, some of which are clearly gone due to the MP call, I only have 11 nut outs, and some of these are probably gone.

Turn is 5c, and SB fires his remaining stack, again MP calls. I'm now left with about $58 or somewhere around there to call for a pot of $220 or so. I figure there's no reason to assume that anyone has clubs, so I call again. Time to go away?

Ok, well, here are the actual hands as well as equity:

SB has QcQsAc6c, and MP has KJ98 with spades to the J.

Equity on the flop:

SB: 57%
me: 23%
MP: 20%

I think I actually need to go away on the flop, since my outs are mostly to a split (I also don't see how I actually win except with runner-runner kings)--and it could be worse if he had a bigger draw.

On the turn, it's absolutely horrible, with SB winning 75% of the time and the remaining 25% being splits, so my equity goes down to 12.5%.

Well, bottom line imo: While the clubs are somewhat unlucky, I think I just didn't hit the flop hard enough here with this particular action. With the caller in the hand, I needed to look more closely at true nut outs--like AKJ9, ok. The advantage of position here was really just the ability to get out...

Or does anyone like the calls?

[Aisthesis]

Well, I guess everyone thinks this is an easy fold (correctly), but I will add some contextual aspects.

First, I'm trying to open my game up a bit both PF and post-flop, and the result is taking down quite a few more smallish pots with hands a lot worse than this one.

But one thing I have trouble with is keeping aggression up but at the same time being willing to make good laydowns rather than just thinking more: In case of doubt, push with a decent hand.

Second, on this hand, I'm definitely going to pot it to checks into a field of 4, and I'm willing to play it for stack against one opponent if I get check-raised: If he has a set, then I normally do have lots of outs to win, and if he has even the bigger draw, well, I have TP, and he can't have a bigger draw and TP, too.

But the caller changes the hand hugely (if that's a word). I'm looking at one similar draw where I'm going to split a lot (in point of fact, almost always) if I hit, and that really drives the odds WAY down despite the additional money in the pot.

[Aisthesis]

I guess one other option for playing this: Call the flop, and then call the turn (aside from hit) only if I pick up my heart draw. The flop call is only slightly bad, but the turn call is actually pretty devastating with only 12.5% equity. With hearts, I think the turn call becomes pretty good in a 3-way pot.

[Kuso]

give us a little time, dude.

given the lack of a flush draw, i'd be happy to jam this flop. you hope that you can make another wrap fold.

as for the equity, you have to calculate against villain's range, not the actual holdings. plenty of villains have crapola here, so don't beat yourself up.

fwiw, you hit this flop stupid hard, it just so happens that the villains' hands were premium for this flop. roll with the variance.

- k

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